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Hi Susan

That birth reg is a bit confusing and really doesn't get us any further!

I am not sure if it means that Mary Campbell is Mary Weir's mother or if she is Alexandrina's mother! On all the birth registrations that I have looked at it is the relationship of the informant to the child that is given. If that is so on this one, it would seem that Mary Weir has married a Campbell and then had a child by another man.

I cannot find a death for Alexandrina Mary Weir b1876 in Scotland neither can I find her on the 1881 census; also there are no marriages in Scotland. So, she could be your Alexandrina.

I have also looked at 49 Richard Street in the 1871 and 1881 but no Weirs, Campbells or Andersons living there then.

I think we have reached a brick wall with this Susan. There are too many George and Alexander Andersons to pick out the right one.

I will post a new thread on this board to see if anyone with more knowledge of Scottish birth regs has any thoughts about Alexandrina's and I am still looking for George (trying to find one who disappears from the Scottish census after1871).

Hi Potty Yes I think you could be right Potty a brick wall???? Someone sent me some info for an Alexandrina Hyatt died Sept 1939 in Camberwell London I think this could be my Alexandrina as she married a William Hyatt. I must admit I am very confused with it all to be honest I thought that when I purchased the birth cert and found Marys maiden name it would be a little bit simpler than its actually been.

Thank you very much Potty for all the time and trouble you have shown me in tring to locate The Andersons!!!!
And thank you for still trying the find my elusive George.

Chat soon

Kind regards

Susan

Sorry, Susan, no luck with George (or Alexander!). I can only find one George (or Alexander) Anderson of the right age in 1871 who had an occupation anything like George's but he is still in Scotland with his wife in 1881.

I am pretty sure that birth is your Alexandrina's - mother's maiden name is correct and she could be named for her father but, sadly, no way of proving it.

If the informant was Mary Campbell on Alexandrina's birth certificate it should say the relationship to the child. That would be normally be done on Scottish birth registrations.

Sorry, I should also have said that if both those birth registrations refer to the same child then one was made in the area of her birth and the other in the area of her mother's usual residence.

Hi rootgather,

Susan has said that it says "mother" for the informant, Mary Campbell, so Mary Campbell and Mary Weir are the same person?

Had a look at the image on SP. What the certificate says
Alexnadrina Mary Weir (Campbell) was born at 11hr. 30m. PM on Fourth June 1876 at 49 Richard Street, Glasgow. (No father named) Mother Mary Weir, Domestic Servant, widow of James Campbell, Iron Works Carter who died on 15th. December 1871 (Domicil: 49 Whitevale Street, Glasgow) The informant was Mary Campbell, Mother. The birth was registered on 22nd. June 1876 at Glasgow by John Hamilton, Registrar.


So it looks to me that Mary was living at Whitevale Street (Camlachie Reg. District) although her child was born at Richard Street (Anderston Reg. District) The image that I looked at was the Anderston District one and there is RCE (register of corrected enties) note on it. These are often added if there has been proof of paternity provided at a later date.

EDIt
Sorry that should have said NO RCE on the certificate.

??

Mary's first marriage?

1866 CAMPBELL JAMES WEIR MARY MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0339

Thanks, rootgather, I had already seen that marriage and had found James and Mary in 1871:

1871 Scotland Census
about Mary Campbell
Name: Mary Campbell
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Campbell
Gender: Female
Where born: Kilmuir, Argyleshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 71 Stewart St
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_135
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 26 - carter
Mary Campbell 28
John Campbell 3
Duncan Campbell 10 MO

Mary's POB ties up for the Mary we are looking for but not her age!

1871

Name: James Campbell
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 71 Stewart St
Occupation: Carter
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1871_135
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 26
Mary Campbell 28 b. Kilmuir, Argyleshire
John Campbell 3
Duncan Campbell 10 MO

Sorry, Potty. I was looking up that census when you posted it!

I have to go now but will look back later if I can.

PS Wouldn't be too worried about the age but I would look at James's death certificate and that marriage anyway.

Thanks, rootgatherer. Fascinated by this so will have to get some more credits!

Wish I had taken this with me when I went to SP centre yesterday to look at the newly released 1911 Scottish census!

Wow Potty and Rootgatherer Know this sounds stupid but I am totally lost and confused with Andersons?Campbells?Weirs????????????????? I just cannot believe just how kind people are to help

Kind regards

Susan

Just wondering what happened to Mary and James Campbell's two other children after Mary moved down to England. They don't show up on the 1881 census there.

JOHN CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 21 NOV 1867 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
DUNCAN CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 MAY 1870 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Might be worth looking for them back in Scotland in 1881 ... see who they were living with.

Might shed some light on the wider family ... helping to confirm connections.


Just in case ... there is a death for a Duncan Campbell in 1871 in the Milton district of Glasgow. This Duncan was born in 1870 +/- 1yr.

Hello Helen thanks very much I know its a mystery because in the 1881 Census in England when she is picked up again she is 43 but as u said she only had Alexandrina?? aged 4 and mary aged 2 BUT what happened to everybody else????why would she take presumably just alexandrina and NOT the other children?? it also shows that she was married to george BUT doesnt say in Census how long she had been married for??

Really struggling because being new to it not sure what to do next just ??

Kind regards


Susan

Not sure about this one as James Campbell gives his birth place as Ireland in 1871.

1881??

Name: Duncan Campbell
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow G, Lanark
Registration Number: 523
Registration district: Kilmore and Kilbride
Civil parish: Kilmore and Kilbride
County: Argyll
Address: Dalnacabeg
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881_153
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan Campbell 45
Wm Campbell 30
Ann Campbell 28
Duncan Campbell 11
John McCallum 43
Mary McCallum 42


Source Citation: Parish: Kilmore and Kilbride; ED: 7; Page: 3; Line: 14; Roll: cssct1881_153; Year: 1881.

1891
Name: Duncan Campbell
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Serv (Servant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 523
Registration district: Kilmore and Kilbride
Civil parish: Kilbride
County: Argyll
Address: Lower Gylen
Occupation: Farmservant
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_169
Household Members: Name Age
John Livingston 46
Annie Livingston 33
Maggy Livingston 14
Duncan Campbell 21

Source Citation: Parish: Kilbride; ED: 12; Page: 1; Line: 25; Roll: CSSCT1891_169; Year: 1891

No maybe not that Duncan because this could be the above in 1871 as his father is from Argyll. (Just posting these for elimination purposes)

1871

Name: Alexander Campbell
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth H B Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Islay Bartine, Argyleshire
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 St James Street
Occupation: Police Constable
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_140
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Campbell 39
Elizabeth H B Campbell 38
Rachel Campbell 8
Elizabeth Campbell 4
Duncan Campbell 1
John Barr 20
William Barr 18

This is the only John Campbell that I can see in 1881 not living with his parents.

Name: John Campbell
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 514
Registration district: Inverchaolain
Civil parish: Inverchaolain
County: Argyll
Address: Glenkin
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_152
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Morrison 35
Janet Morrison 31
Archibald Morrison 3
John Campbell 13

Morning All!

I have looked at the image for Mary Weir/James Campbell marriage. Some of it isn't very clear - see question marks

It took place on 28th December 1866 at 71 Stewart Street (where they are living in 1871);

by Banns according to the Forms? of the Independants;

James Campbell, 24, Batchelor, Carter; living at 3 (or 5)21 Dobbies Loan, Parents Richard Campbell, labourer and Helen Campbell, MS Davidson, deceased

Mary Weir, 22, Spinster, Domestic Servant; living at 3(or5)27 Dobbies Load,
Parents John Weir, labourer, deceased and Helen Weir, MS ?Talnar;

Married by A Portetson(?), Cowcaddinns Congregational Church; Witnesses: James Conran? and Christina McLean.