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The family in 1841:

1841 Scotland Census
about Ann Wier
Name: Ann Wier
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Argyll, Scotland

Civil parish: Dunoon and Kilmun
County: Argyll
Address: Ballegown
Parish Number: 510
Household Members: Name Age
John Wier 45
Ann Wier 40
Janet Wier 12
Duncan Wier 15
Donald Wier 8
Ann Wier 3
John Wier 2
Mary Wier 1
John Turner 60

Helen

I have posted the 1861 above - Mary was still with her parents. Christian (or Christina) married John McLean on 3rd Jan 1851 (submitted record on IGI, confirmed on scotlandspeople), so maybe she had to be baptised before she could be married?

Potty,

The marriage info you checked for the name Turner looks promising. So does the 1851 census you posted.

Wonder where Mary Weir was at the time of the 1861 census prior to her marriage.


As mentioned, here are the children of John and Anne Weir. Looks like their last three children ... Mary, Peter and Duncan were either not baptised or the records are missing.


Parents: John Weir and Anne Turner
All at Dunoon and Kilmun, Argyll, Scotland

Janet Stewart Weir
Birth: 13 December 1823
Christening: 18 January 1824

Duncan Weir
Birth: 20 August 1825
Christening: 19 February 1826

Catharine Weir
Birth: 1 November 1827
Christening: 16 November 1828

Christian Weir
Birth: 20 March 1829
Christening: 28 November 1850

Donald Weir
Birth: 15 July 1831
Christening: 4 April 1850

Anne Weir
Birth: 12 August 1834
Christening: 28 November 1850

Big gap years between the births and christenings for Christian, Donald and Anne.

Helen

I have had another look at James and Mary's marriage - yes it could be Turner. James's mother was also Helen so I suppose it is possible that a mistake was made with Mary's mother and both mothers were put down as Helen.

familysearch has baptisms for children of John and Anne - but not Mary's.

This is the family i 1851 - can't find them in 1841:

1851 Scotland Census
about John Weir
Name: John Weir
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy Weir
Gender: Male
Where born: Lochgoilhead, Argyleshire
Parish Number: 510
Civil parish: Dunoon and Kilmun
County: Argyll
Address: Clachaig Clyde Mills
Occupation: Refiner Of Saltpetre
ED: 11
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1851_109
Household Members: Name Age
John Weir 50
Nancy Weir 54
Catharine Weir 24
Donald Weir 19
Mary Weir 12
Peter Weir 8
Duncan Weir 4

Potty,

Going back to James Campbell and Mary Weir's marriage certificate.

Could Mary's mother's name be ... Turner ? Maybe you could have another look to check.

Possible marriage from the IGI:
John Weir and Anne Turner
3rd March 1823 ... Dunoon and Kilmun, Argyll, Scotland

John's father's name ... Duncan Weir
(could Mary's son, Duncan Campbell be named after his grandfather ?)

The only obstacle being ... Mary says her mother's name was Helen.

But then again, I've seen many weird and wonderful mistakes given on certificates ... given by informants who you imagine should have known better.

Thank you very much Potty you explained it so well for me because I was just getting so confused with it, thought it would be a simpler than it has turned out to be, but your last post has simplified it for me!!! I am just intruiged why they left Scotland and moved to London??????

Kind regards

Susan

Susan,

I am still looking for Mary!

This is the only one I can find with a father John and there is a Chistina McLean living with the family and the father is dead by 1871 but the mother isn't Helen:

1861 Scotland Census
about Mary Weir
Name: Mary Weir
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John Weir
Mother's Name: Ann Weir
Gender: Female
Where born: Kilmun, Argyllshire
Registration Number: 510
Registration district: Dunoon and Kilmun
Civil parish: Kilmun
County: Argyll
Address: 14 Clachaig
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1861_70
Household Members: Name Age
John Weir 65
Ann Weir 64
Mary Weir 22
Peter Weir 18
Christina Weir 31 -
Christina McLean 9
Ann McLean 6
John McLean 3

So, this is what we have:

Alexandrina born to Mary Weir in 1876, father unknown (but given George's first name (from Mary Ann's birth cert) likely to be Alexander George Anderson)

Mary had previously been married to James Campbell who died in 1871.

I have looked at James death registration, and he died of smallpox.

No marriage showing for Mary to George Anderson so for some reason they left Scotland and moved to London.

Morning All!

I have looked at the image for Mary Weir/James Campbell marriage. Some of it isn't very clear - see question marks

It took place on 28th December 1866 at 71 Stewart Street (where they are living in 1871);

by Banns according to the Forms? of the Independants;

James Campbell, 24, Batchelor, Carter; living at 3 (or 5)21 Dobbies Loan, Parents Richard Campbell, labourer and Helen Campbell, MS Davidson, deceased

Mary Weir, 22, Spinster, Domestic Servant; living at 3(or5)27 Dobbies Load,
Parents John Weir, labourer, deceased and Helen Weir, MS ?Talnar;

Married by A Portetson(?), Cowcaddinns Congregational Church; Witnesses: James Conran? and Christina McLean.

This is the only John Campbell that I can see in 1881 not living with his parents.

Name: John Campbell
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 514
Registration district: Inverchaolain
Civil parish: Inverchaolain
County: Argyll
Address: Glenkin
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_152
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Morrison 35
Janet Morrison 31
Archibald Morrison 3
John Campbell 13

No maybe not that Duncan because this could be the above in 1871 as his father is from Argyll. (Just posting these for elimination purposes)

1871

Name: Alexander Campbell
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth H B Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Islay Bartine, Argyleshire
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 St James Street
Occupation: Police Constable
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_140
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Campbell 39
Elizabeth H B Campbell 38
Rachel Campbell 8
Elizabeth Campbell 4
Duncan Campbell 1
John Barr 20
William Barr 18

Not sure about this one as James Campbell gives his birth place as Ireland in 1871.

1881??

Name: Duncan Campbell
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow G, Lanark
Registration Number: 523
Registration district: Kilmore and Kilbride
Civil parish: Kilmore and Kilbride
County: Argyll
Address: Dalnacabeg
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881_153
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan Campbell 45
Wm Campbell 30
Ann Campbell 28
Duncan Campbell 11
John McCallum 43
Mary McCallum 42


Source Citation: Parish: Kilmore and Kilbride; ED: 7; Page: 3; Line: 14; Roll: cssct1881_153; Year: 1881.

1891
Name: Duncan Campbell
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Serv (Servant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 523
Registration district: Kilmore and Kilbride
Civil parish: Kilbride
County: Argyll
Address: Lower Gylen
Occupation: Farmservant
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_169
Household Members: Name Age
John Livingston 46
Annie Livingston 33
Maggy Livingston 14
Duncan Campbell 21

Source Citation: Parish: Kilbride; ED: 12; Page: 1; Line: 25; Roll: CSSCT1891_169; Year: 1891

Hello Helen thanks very much I know its a mystery because in the 1881 Census in England when she is picked up again she is 43 but as u said she only had Alexandrina?? aged 4 and mary aged 2 BUT what happened to everybody else????why would she take presumably just alexandrina and NOT the other children?? it also shows that she was married to george BUT doesnt say in Census how long she had been married for??

Really struggling because being new to it not sure what to do next just ??

Kind regards


Susan

Just wondering what happened to Mary and James Campbell's two other children after Mary moved down to England. They don't show up on the 1881 census there.

JOHN CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 21 NOV 1867 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
DUNCAN CAMPBELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 MAY 1870 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Might be worth looking for them back in Scotland in 1881 ... see who they were living with.

Might shed some light on the wider family ... helping to confirm connections.


Just in case ... there is a death for a Duncan Campbell in 1871 in the Milton district of Glasgow. This Duncan was born in 1870 +/- 1yr.

Wow Potty and Rootgatherer Know this sounds stupid but I am totally lost and confused with Andersons?Campbells?Weirs????????????????? I just cannot believe just how kind people are to help

Kind regards

Susan

Wish I had taken this with me when I went to SP centre yesterday to look at the newly released 1911 Scottish census!

Thanks, rootgatherer. Fascinated by this so will have to get some more credits!

Sorry, Potty. I was looking up that census when you posted it!

I have to go now but will look back later if I can.

PS Wouldn't be too worried about the age but I would look at James's death certificate and that marriage anyway.

1871

Name: James Campbell
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 71 Stewart St
Occupation: Carter
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1871_135
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 26
Mary Campbell 28 b. Kilmuir, Argyleshire
John Campbell 3
Duncan Campbell 10 MO

Thanks, rootgather, I had already seen that marriage and had found James and Mary in 1871:

1871 Scotland Census
about Mary Campbell
Name: Mary Campbell
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Campbell
Gender: Female
Where born: Kilmuir, Argyleshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 71 Stewart St
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_135
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 26 - carter
Mary Campbell 28
John Campbell 3
Duncan Campbell 10 MO

Mary's POB ties up for the Mary we are looking for but not her age!

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Mary's first marriage?

1866 CAMPBELL JAMES WEIR MARY MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0339