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Dear tania,
If a women has to convince two doctors, how come some of them have had several abortions, in which case they would have had to have convinced two doctors several times!!!
I would have thought the doctor should realize by then its contraception...
my sisters friend has had three abortions, did she have to convince them three times, that her life, mental health, etc was in danger....If i was her doctor/doctors. and thought she was that unstable, I would have her sectioned!!!!
How many women get ''refused'' a termination, on medical or mental grounds???? I have never heard of one .
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Well cmd
Taking in the thread about the poor little girl who was abused and starved to death maybe the 2 doctors saw something in your sisters friends mental health that made them feel it was a wise option.
If the medical proffession had to section everyone thats was selfish or personality disordered they would be very busy
Remembering of course that just because a minority abuse something dosent mean everyone does.
The majority of women who have abortions are good people who for whatever reason which is personal to them cannot have a baby.
as I said before my position is not about the rights or wrongs of abortion it is about taking away something that will have catastrophic effects on women.......,and children if they are forced to have them.
It is probably one of the most important advances in the health of women this century so I dont ever want to see it legislated to the point of being gone which if it changes will slowly happen .
As for being refused,beyond 12 weeks actually most are,as you will note the significant drop in numbers at that
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Dear Tania,
I do apprieciate that there are people who feel they may not be able to cope,
But I know for a fact, that when you go for your consultation, you are not offered councilling before the procedure......
there are thousands and thousands of women, who would have coped with the child. but panicked at the time.and did the knee-jurk reaction, and have spent all their lives, regretting it.and suffering extreme depression,because no-one told them things might work out alright..
I know, because I have spoken to some of these , women, and I have not met one who would not put the clock back,
I have said before, although I am very anti-abortion, I will defend anyones right to do what they want with their bodies..........
I have experience of very premature babies being born in my family. so I realize the trauma of these little souls struggling for survival, when down the corridor they are left to die..
24 weeks is far to late, by that time, the mother has to be either induced to give birth, or it is destoyed inside her, then 'sucked' out of body. dont tell me thats not more distressing than just going a few more weeks, and having it anyway, then give it up for adoption.....I have three adopted nephews.(who are real brothers) their mother made the mistake at least three times, and still gave the babies up.... thank God they were not aborted....
my sisters friend has two grown up children, who she managed to get to adult-hood without starving them...
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with respect Tania, let me point out what is happening in todays society, we have perfectly good pregnanies being aborted because their parent/parents, think they cannot afford to keep and rear these children, because they cannot afford to give up work, or afford child care, or cope in general..with paying their mortgage, and bills....
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Then we have another set of society that are having kids 'willy nilly' several kids, by several fathers, and getting, houses, and benefits, and help all along the way.....Dont tell me it not true.... come and live where I do and you will see them in droves....
Then when some of the earlier group decide that natures clock is ticking, and its time to have a family, they then find they need medical help, or intervention,
just my opinion, but based on some facts.......
xxx cmd xx
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The other week my friends waters broke at 23 weeks - she went to hospital & was told if she went into labour there was nothing that the hospital would do as up to 24 weeks it is classed as a miscarriage!!!!!
The baby hung on for 3 more weeks & is now being treated as a human - in a special care unit !
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dear Penny, with musical/erou bits,
I really do hope everthing goes well. there will be set backs, but sometimes miracles do happen, one of my nephews was only 2lb prem, and now 20 years on he's 6'2'' and a lovely lad, he has had some difficlties. but those are not physical,
give you friend my very best wishes...
love cmdx
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well I concede after 16 yrs of working with women from their first pregnancy test I havent met thousands and thousands of women who regret there abortions nor have I met anyone who wasnt counselled before hand..
so I just cant really relate to your facts cmd.
As I did say earlier though I will always support abortion law to remain as it is,as to take it away will be a disaster for women now and in the future
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Dear Tania,
I too, do not think that the facilty to have a proper organized medical termination should be abolished, even though I dearly wish that there should be no need for women to have one in the first place.
I would hate to see back street abortion clinics. and women drinking gin and jumping off tables, or whatever. that would be tragic to say the least.
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The reason you may not have come across many people who regret it is, that very few women admit to it.....there is a strong sense of shame...that goes with this procedure...and its long term consequences
I also concede, that you may see things from a different prespective/experience than I do.....
as for the thousands of women who live with regret, I am certain that of the 169,000+ a year that was quoted yesterday by someone, that there is a reasonable percent of those who do/have thought they made the wrong choice..
out of the many women I have spoke to, I have not met one who does not pine, and grieve for that missing child....
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sitting in front of two doctors, and convincing them that you want an abortion,when you are not thinking straight does not constitute councelling in my eyes...
I dont want to come across as arguementive, as people know on here, that I always stay out of rows etc, I just feel that I need to speak up for the silent sufferers......
please excuse my spellings.
regards
cmd xxx
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