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Name: Ann Standing Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Benjamin Gender: Female Where Born: Failsworth Civil parish: Failsworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Wicken Tree Lane Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Prestwich Sub registration district: Failsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Potts 47 Harriott Potts 6 Ann Standing 3 Benjamin Standing 50 Ed. Standing 14 Jessie Standing 14 Oswall Standing 7 Now I'm confused, could it be possible that benjamin married his servant? As dates for Ann, Harriet Oswald and Ann Match up. I found a marraige for Benjamin Standring and Elizabeth Hornby in 1854 Rochdale. Any thoughts on this thx Nicola x

Hi If this is the 1881 census then the 1854 marriage seems a bit early. Maybe they never married but he 'recognised' her children? Maybe they married secretly so she kept her maiden name. There was a story once of a chap who married his servant and they lived in the same house etc, - can't think of his name though. Jill

Nicola, I'm not sure if you have looked at the image or just the transcription. The members of the household are listed in the following order: Benjamin Standing Head Widr 50 Labourer in Coal Mine (sorry, can't make out birthplace) Ed Do Son 14 Horse Driver Do Failsworth Jessie Do Son 10 Scholar Do Oswald Do Son 7 Do Do Ann Do Daug 3 -- Do Elizabeth Potts Serv Mar 47 serv Bedfordshire Harriott Do Daug 6 Scholar Stockport So, that suggests that Benjamin's wife (mother of Ann) had died between 1877 and 1881. Elizabeth should have a husband Mr. Potts who is not in the same household on census night, and Harriott's 'relationship to head of household' should almost certainly have been given as 'servant's daughter' rather than just 'daughter' but it is a common mistake on censuses. If you can get the birth certificate(s) for one or more of the Standing children it will give their mother's name(s). Or you could try looking for the family on the 1871 census; she should be on that one? Kate.

1871 Benjamins wife is Ann Name: Benjamin Standering Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Failsworth Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Failsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 72 Household Members: Name Age Alice Standering 7 Ann Standering 37 Benjamin Standering 39 Edman Standering 2 Hannah Standering 4 Jessie Standering 3 months John Standering 13 Mancy Standering 16 Mary Standering 18 William Standering 20

Anns death. Deaths Dec 1877 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Standering Ann 44 Prestwich 8d 300 PRESTWICH REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : Lancashire. Created : 1.10.1874 (out of Manchester district). Abolished : 1.1.1925 (succeeded by Manchester North district). Sub-districts : Blackley; Bradford; Cheetham;***** Failsworth;**** Newton; Newton Heath; Prestwich. GRO volumes : 8d (1874-1924).

Well on 1891 census is as follows: Name: Benjamin Standring Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where Born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Failsworth Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Failsworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Prestwich Sub registration district: Failsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph Hall Baskett 15 Ann Standring 13 Benjamin Standring 64 Elizabeth Standring 61 Harriett Standring 16 Oswald Standring 17 Just strange, I can't find a marraige for Elizabeth potts and Benjamin Standring. As you can see Harriet is known as Standring here, whereas in 1881 census she is known as potts the same as elizabeth. I know for a fact that the other children here are children of Ann and Benjamin. Another strange thing is that she is his servant, when he is a coal miner. Thx Nicola x

Think she married in the name Betsy not Elizabeth. Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1885 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fletcher Sarah Prestwich 8d 388 Oakes John Henry Prestwich 8d 388 ............>Potts Betsy Prestwich 8d 388 ........>Standring Benjamin Prestwich 8d 388

Thx for that fiona I am trying to work this out because it says that Harriet Standring married a relative of my husbands Arthur Boustead born c1871, in 1893 March Quarter, salford, greater manchester, lancashire. Is too confusing for me lol Nicola

How about this one - Lancs BMD Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885 Surname Forename(s): Surname Forename(s): Church / Register Office: Registers At: Reference STANDRING * Benjamin: POTTS Betsy: Failsworth, St. John the Evangelist: Oldham: CE214/2/65 Christine PS - you could get a Register page copy instead of a cert.

It's more complicated. ''Standring'' has an asterisk, so I clicked on it (it means there's a query on the name)... Betsy POTTS, is also Betsy HOPE. perhaps she was still married to someone else up until then?? Christine PS - can't see a POTTS/HOPE marriage on Lancs BMD

I think you could be right there, fiona I was thinking the same thing. Why is it our ancesters never make it easy for us lol Was really hard to pin point these as on one of the census's there's a couple of dates that are slightly wrong about 4 years out lol but am sure its them as everything else seems to match up. thx again Nicola x

Information is getting duplicated as there is a second thread Maureen

I know what you mean christine about it being complicated, all through the census's its either standing, standering, or standring lol But I have to say I am sure its deffinately standring because I have found the marraige for benjamin and Ann Darlington, Sept quarter 1852 8e 20. Which would tie in with their first childs birth in 1853. Nicola

sorry maureen, I put this up because I was desparate and wanted it to be seen, the query before was slightly different to this one. Nicola x

I have deleted the other thread now to avoid confussion, sorry about that. Nicola

No - it wasn't so much the risk of misspelling STANDRING, as that it showed Betsey's other name. Christine

Sorry Christine, now I'm misreading what peolple say. My head is swimming with sandrings lol Nicola

Nicola, I hope you copied all the information on the other thread before you deleted it - could always prove useful, especially when you can get your head around the information you are now being given. Perhaps next time just nudge your thread up. Maureen

yes maureen I have logged everything first Thx Nicola