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Well mine dont!

I have a copy 1838 marriage certificate from the GRO where the bride signs as S.Clayton, widow. The groom signed in full.

I have a copy of the original 1812 register entry for, what I believe to be, her first marriage where she signs in full as Susanna Everson.

Although I am 99.9% sure this is the right first marriage I would normally want to compare signatures to eradicate the 0.01% doubt but, if I obtain a copy of the original entry for the second marriage, I am only going to have the ‘S’ and ‘on’ to compare and her writing isn't particularly distinctive :-(

And now I have to decide whether to spend £4 getting a copy of the second marriage entry or devote some of my precious London research time visiting the particular Archive for this one item.

Oh well....Where's my cheque book!

Moan over
Chris

Isn't her father's name on that 1838 certificate?

Margaret

I'm not looking to find her father, I just want to confirm I have the right first marriage which took place in 1812.

The reason I am being cautious is that the first marriage took place in Wales and the second in London and although all the background info I have does point to it being correct I want to do a 'belt and braces' just for peace of mind.

The witnesses at the first marriage have not been any help!

Chris

You would have to get a photocopy of or view the original entry in the Church register to be 100% certain that it was her signature you were seeing. The copy sent to the GRO might not have been signed by her but just be a copy made by the vicar of the original entry .

Is this her second marriage?

Marriages Mar 1838 (>99%)
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Adams William St. Martins in the Fields 1 115
Clayton Susanna St Martin in the Fields 1 115
Felton Henry St Martin 1 115
Marpas Martha St Martin 1 115
Martyr Thomas William Lockyer St Martin 1 115
Robinson Scipic St Martin in the Fields 1 115
STAPLES Martha Ann St Martin Fields 1 115
TRAPAUD Meliora Plaietow St. Martin, Fields 1 115

Potty

Yes it is the original for the second marriage I will be obtaining from the archive. The first marriage I have a photocopy of the actual parish register entry.

Chris

Margaret

Thanks, yes that's the second marriage, Clayton to Robinson, and that is the copy cert I have from the GRO. It is the marriage I need a photocopy of the original register entry so I can compare signatures.

Chris

I was asking about her father's name on the 1838 certificate because if it was Everson that would clinch it, wouldn't it?

I've been searching those London Marriage Records with no luck.

PigletsPal

Sadly it is not on Ancestry, St Martins in the Fields :-(

The registers are at Westminster Archives and as long as you can give an exact date and church they will copy for £4.
So it wouldn't work if you didn't have the precise info already which I do have from the GRO copy cert.

Chris

Margaret

You won't find it as the St Martin in the Fields registers haven't been filmed, they are not at the LMA but at Westminster Archives.

Thanks for looking tho'

Chris

What is your definition of 'the original entry for the second marriage' ? Do you mean the Parish Register entry?

From the last few posts, obviously yes.

InspectorGreenPen

Yes that is exactly what I mean.... :-)

Chris

**Reply crossed...Slow typer here**

Margaret

Sorry I didn't reply to your post at 14:41

Yes the cert does give her father as an Everson but it doesn't deffinetively confirm the Susanna marrying in Wales is the same Susanna marrying in London.

As I said I am probably being too cautious as everything else I have adds up to her being the same person but...Well that's me :-)

Thanks
Chris

Nothing wrong with being too cautious, Chris, better than going off on the wrong track. Having said that, however, I'm sure you're on the right track if you have Susannah Everson marrying a Clayton then Susannah Clayton marrying with father's name Everson I think it's got to be the same person.

I'm not sure that you'd have enough signature to compare to satisy you, .... only the S.

It seems more than coincidence that you have back up information linking the 2 brides.
2 Susanna Eversons from the same area would both have to have married CLAYTON and have moved to London.

I understand your caution, but it may not be possible to confirm 100%.

Gwyn

Looking at the original of the marriage reg. I see the groom's name is actualy Scipio. On the 41 census Scipio & Susanna were living in Finsbury, St. Giles in the Fields and they both say they were born in that county. So why did Susanna marry in Wales?

Gwyn

Thanks for your thoughts and yes I admit I am being over careful. But I will have the 'S' from Susanna and 'on' from ClaytON (for a match with EversON) to compare....But whether that will be enough only time will tell.

I think it is a case of once bitten and twice shy... As by not checking something similar for another line years ago I ended up 'barking up' the wrong tree :-(

Chris

Margaret

Yes that is Susanna and Scipio in the 1841.

The fact she has a 'Y' in the 'Where born' column is one of the reasons why I am being over cautious for the marriage in Wales being her first marriage.

At the second marriage her father's occupation is Iron Founder....Not an occupation that I believe was common in London at that time. After some research I found that Iron Founders were very common in Wales and especially around Merthry Tydfil where the first marriage took place.

'In 1750 Merthyr Tydfil was a quiet village surrounded by green fields. Most of the forty or so families who lived in the village worked on the land. However, this situation was to change when it became known that coke could be used for smelting iron. Merthyr Tydfil, with its large supplies of both iron ore and coal, was an attractive site for the ironmasters. The first ironworks was opened in 1759. Others followed and by 1784 there were four large ironworks (Penydarren, Dowlais, Plymouth, Cyfarthfa) within a two mile radius of the original village. By 1801 over 8,000 people were living in Merthyr Tydfil making it the largest town in Wales.'

Susanna and her first husband were having children baptised in London, the first taking place 9 months after the marriage :-)

Chris