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Deaths Sep 1893 (>99%)
Hulse Jane 52 Prescot 8b 533

Yes Nyx thats the first Jane's death.

If I look up James William Hulse on the GRO the only one I can get is the Prescot one so I think this must be him.

Thanks for your input Agyllgran and I still think this must be him. If her father was William it makes sense their son was called James William as James 1836ish father was also James.

Not knowing these areas dos'nt help but you seem to have put me right with the registration areas. Thanks.

BUT I still can't find a first marriage which is what I really need.

Mel

It doesn't look as if James was ever married to Jane Wakefield.

If the censuses I've posted for her are the correct ones, she was still single in 1871.
Daughter Sarah Jane was born 1874.
There's no record of a marriage 1871-1874 - or any other time, for that matter.

Nor does Jane appear to have been married to anyone else in that time.

James also seems to have been single in 1871:


James Hulse
in the 1871 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Hulse
Mother's name: Sarah Hulse
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Runcorn
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 3691
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hulse 48
Sarah Hulse 48
James Hulse 21
Hannah Hulse 15
William Hulse 13
Ellen Hulse 10
Robert Hulse 8
Elizabeth Hulse 6
Martha Hulse 2

??
EDIT, sorry realised that I was repeating the census and births posted by ArgyllGran for the Jane born Runcorn :-)

Morning all its me.

Its alright Nyx I know what you girls mean but I don't think the above census is the James I am looking for AgyllGran. This James was born about 1836/40 ish.

I think this is him on the 1841.

Name: James Hulse
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Davenham
Hundred: Northwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Leighs Works********

Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 121
Book: 16
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hulse 55 1786 Cheshire Salt Maker
Elizabeth Hulse 55 1786 Cheshire
William Hulse 5 1836 Cheshire
James Hulse 5 1836 Cheshire

How sure are you of his parents' names?

There were at least a couple of other James Hulses about the same age in Davenham:

You've starred Leighs Works - is that where you definitely know he lived?


James Hulse
in the 1841 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Davenham
Hundred: Northwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 121
Book: 16
Folio: 14
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Hulse 75
Sarah Hulse 70
James Hulse 30
Jane Hulse 25
John Hulse 6
James Hulse 4
Samuel Hulse 1

James Hulse
in the 1841 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Davenham
Hundred: Northwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 121
Book: 16
Folio: 18
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hulse 35
Susannh Hulse 14
James Hulse 8
Richard Hulse 6
Ellen Hulse 4
John Hulse 2

And in 1851 there's this one, who seems not to be any of those in 1841:

James Hulse
in the 1851 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Hulse
Mother's name: Jane Hulse
Gender: Male
Where born: Davenham, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 2166
Folio: 191
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hulse 38
Jane Hulse 36
John Hulse 14
James Hulse 12
Samuel Hulse 10
Sarah J Hulse 7
Walter W Hulse 5
Martha A Hulse 1

O gosh!!

No I don't know for definate that is him on the 1841 but as there were two children William and James I thought there could be a connection as James William Hulse 1877 named his son James William too. That is a definate connection to my friends family.

I shall have to go and have another look at what you have found but I don't have a lot of time today as I have family coming.

Thanks for the imput and I shall be back later.

Mel x

just in case turns out to be right family

walter from above 1851 census
HULSE, WALTER WILLIAM WATERWORTH Order
GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 19 Page 204

Davenham
Davenham is a rural village and civil parish approximately 3 kilometres south of the town of Northwich

James Hulse
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 27 Oct 1834
Event Place , Over, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Jane Waterworth
Citing this Record

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch

1841
Wharton Bridge, Davenham, Northwich, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Benjamin Hulse Male 75 1766 Cheshire, England - waterman
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Sarah Hulse Female 70 1771 Cheshire, England
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James Hulse Male 30 1811 Cheshire, England - saltmaker
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Jane Hulse Female 25 1816 Cheshire, England - NOT born in county
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John Hulse Male 6 1835 Cheshire, England
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James Hulse Male 4 1837 Cheshire, England
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Samuel Hulse Male 1 1840 Cheshire, England
Transcription
Census details

Benjamin Hulse
Spouse's Name Sarah Waugh
Event Date 13 Jun 1790
Event Place Davenham, Cheshire, England
Citing this Record

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch

Benjn
Last name Hulse
Gender Male
Birth year 1766
Baptism year 1766
Baptism date 25 May 1766
Place Davenham
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Saml
Father's last name Hulse
Mother's first name(s) Elizth

BENJAMIN
Last name HULSE
Gender Male
Birth year 1766
Age 80y
Death year 1846
Burial year 1846
Burial date 11 Mar 1846
Parish -
Burial place Davenham
Residence Davenham
Place DAVENHAM
City or town Davenham
County Cheshir

Just for good measure, and to muddy the waters more, here's another James, whom I don't see in censuses:

James Hulse
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: James Hulse
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 Oct 1835
Baptism Place: Davenham, Cheshire, England
Father: Ralph Hulse
Mother: Mary Hulse
FHL Film Number: 2106514

(Spelled Hulce in the Cheshire Bishops Transcripts.)

Trying to work back through what we've found on this thread - and it's confusing to say the least! Too many Hulses, too many Jameses and too many Janes, all born in the same few villages and towns in Cheshire:

you started with 1911 - son James W 1878 Widnes, with wife Elizabeth.
He's calling himself William on children's school records.

Haven't found James W in 1901.

1891: James W 1877 Lancashire, with parents James 1836 Cheshire and Jane 1841 Cheshire. Living in Widnes.

1881: James W 1878 Widnes, with parents James 1848 Runcorn and Jane 1843 Cheshire. Living in Widnes.




Back to 1901 re father James (presumably) -

James 1845, Over, Cheshire, with wife Jane formerly Noden .

1911: James 1842, Over, Cheshire, with Jane (Noden).

Big variations in father James's YOB - if it's the same person each time. 1836, 1848, 1845, 1842.



Hmmm -

I accept that the James in the 1871 census I posted isn't him.
Otherwise -
I've absolutely no idea where I'm going with this!

Me too. I am now having trouble with James William's wife Elizabeth Ann Collings. Can't find marriages again. Perhaps none of them married!! They were supposed to be married in march quarter 1902 8a 685. I can't find it on Ancestry.

Yes, it comes up on Ancestry, searching for either Elizabeth or James:


James William Hulse
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: James William Hulse
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Wirral
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 685
Records on Page:
Name
Elizabeth Ann Collings
Stanley George Gregory
Ete Jane Hitchen
James William Hulse

Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 Transcription
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First name(s) Elizabeth Ann
Last name Collings
Age 24y
Marriage year 1902
Marriage date 13 Jan 1902
Marriage place Ellesmere Port
Spouse's first name(s) James William
Spouse's last name Hulse
Spouse's age 19y
City or town Ellesmere Port
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 4 p 82
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

makes his birthyear 1883 ?
Elizabeth 1878

he is a batchelor and a labouer - same job in 1911 census
father james a boiler maker
her father frederick is a foreman

witnesses herbert colings and annie pocknell

so this is the family in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
63, John Street, Over, Northwich, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hulse Head Married Male 56 1845 Boiler Maker (At Salt Wks) Over, Cheshire, England
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Jane Hulse Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Wharton, Cheshire, England
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Mary Noden Step Daughter Single Female 20 1881 - Over, Cheshire, England
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Lizzie Noden Step Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - Over, Cheshire, England
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Charles Noden Step Son Single Male 12 1889 - Over, Cheshire, England
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Walter Noden Step Son Single Male 9 1892 - Over, Cheshire, England
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Ethel Hulse Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Over, Cheshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

JANE
Last name NODEN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1898
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JANE NODEN married one of these people
James Hulse, Arthur Barnett
District Northwich
District number -
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A
Page 509

1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
51, Hill Street, Wharton, Northwich, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hulse Head Married Male 34 1847 Salt Boiler Over, Cheshire, England
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Sarah Ann Hulse Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Wharton, Cheshire, England

1901
63, John Street, Over, Northwich, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hulse Head Married Male 56 1845 Boiler Maker (At Salt Wks) Over, Cheshire, England
Transcription
Jane Hulse Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Wharton, Cheshire, England
Transcription
Mary Noden Step Daughter Single Female 20 1881 - Over, Cheshire, England
Transcription
Lizzie Noden Step Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - Over, Cheshire, England
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Charles Noden Step Son Single Male 12 1889 - Over, Cheshire, England
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Walter Noden Step Son Single Male 9 1892 - Over, Cheshire, England
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Ethel Hulse Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Over, Cheshire, England

SARAH ANN
Last name HULSE
Gender Female
Age 56
Birth year 1847
Death year -
Burial year 1903
Burial date 19 Feb 1903
Place OVER
Residence Over
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference p 128
Record group Part 1 - 1

sorry if i have repeated posts, trying to get it clear

James
Last name Hulse
Gender Male
Birth year 1846
Baptism year 1846
Baptism date 16 Feb 1846
Place Over, St Chad
County Cheshire
Country England
James Hulse
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 18 Dec 1865
Event Place , Wharton, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 19y
Father's Name Thomas Hulse
Spouse's Name Sarah Ann Pickstock
Spouse's Father's Name Job Pickstock
Citing this Record

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch

1871
Winsford Hill, Wharton, Northwich, Cheshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hulse Head - Male 25 1846 - Cheshire, England
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Sarah Ann Hulse Wife - Female 25 1846 - Cheshire, England

original says he is a waterman but sara is down as a boilermans wife

Here's 1891 for that family (apparently):


James Hulse
in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1845
Spouse: Sarah A Hulse
Birth Place: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
Residence Place: Wharton, Wharton, Cheshire, England
Registration district: Northwich
Sub registration district: Over
ED, Institution or Vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2841
Folio: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hulse 46 - general labourer
Sarah A Hulse 45
Edwin Hulse 17 - nephew
Samuel Hulse 12 - nephew
Elizabeth Hulse 8 - niece
Martha Hulse 6 - niece



And in 1901:

Sarah A Hulse
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sarah A Hulse
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Hulse
Birth Place: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton Christchurch
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Boatman (cinder boat) - overwritten "Barge"
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3343
Folio: 172
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hulse 57
Sarah A Hulse 56
Sarah E Hulse 18 - niece
Martha Hulse 16 - niece


So they're not the Hulse / Noden family ??

and 1911:

James Hulse
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Uncle
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Winsford, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 17 Washington St Liverpool
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration District Number: 453
Sub-registration district: Abercromby
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 22195
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Edwin Hulse 37 - head - salt heaver
Sarah Hulse 35 - wife
James Hulse 67 - uncle, widowed
Marion Hulse 8/12 - daughter

The more I search, the more James Hulses I find - think I'll give up!

well if the marriage to collins is right his father was a boiler maker / salt so 1881 and 1891 census would fit occupation and maybe 1871 where occupaton may be wrong.

1911 has him in OVER
James Hulse
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Over, Winsford, Cheshire, England
County Cheshire
Parish Over
Sub-District Over
Registration District Northwich
Gender Male
Age 69
Marital Status (Original) MARRIED
Occupation BOILERSMITH
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace And Parish Of Over, Cheshire
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Line 1
Page 1
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
James Hulse Head M 69 And Parish Of Over, Cheshire
Jane Hulse Wife F 53 Born At Wahrton, Cheshire
Liza Noden Stepdaughter F 25 Born At Over, Cheshire
Charles Noden Stepson M 22 Born At Over, Cheshire
Walter Noden Son M 19 Born At Over, Cheshire
Esther Hulse Daughter F 12 Born At Over, Cheshire

Apart from that i really dont know, as you say it may be the wrong family

sorry
maddie

I've no idea, Maddie! There are too many of them very similar.