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Thanks Maddie, I hadn't noticed that child.

I have also discovered that Arthur's brother James Every Colocott and his wife Barbara also emigrated to Canada in 1911. I wonder if he has a war record also?

I know he survived as they visited England in 1920 after the War before returning to Canada where he died in 1922. It would also be interesting to know if they had any children but I can't see any. I am also struggling to find where Barbara died?

James Emry Colocott

in the Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938, 1943-1944, and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
View Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938, 1943-1944, and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947

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Name: James Emry Colocott ( Every)
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1880
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 7 Jun 1922
Death Place: York, Ontario, Canada

wife barbara

in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
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Name: Barbara Colocott
Gender: Female
Age: 48
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 7 May 1934
Vessel: Antonia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Antonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

no children with them in 1911 and 1920 or in 1934

can't see a death record for her
maddie

might want to check this out

milton
Name Barbara Collicutt
Gender Unknown
Husband Frederick Hamilton
Other information in the record of Frederick Hamilton
from British Columbia Death Registrations
Name Frederick Hamilton
Event Type Death
Event Date 25 Sep 1971
Event Place Saanich, British Columbia, Canada
Gender Male
Age 76
Marital Status Widowed
Birth Date 17 Sep 1895
Birth Year (Estimated) 1895
Birthplace Manchester, England
Father's Name Jonathan Hamilton
Mother's Name Martha Purdy
Spouse's Name Barbara Collicutt

image on family search site

Thanks Maddie. That looks like it could be her death. It seems highly unlikely that there were any children

I have one more brother of Arthur and James Every Colocott (sons of James and Caroline Colocott) that I am struggling to locate.
John Colocott born 1882 in Egremont Cheshire. I can see him in the 1891 census and then as a boarder in 1901 on the Wirral. He was working as a joiner. Then the trail goes cold....

John Colocott

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-196

Name: John Colocott
Port of Departure: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Arrival Date: 7 Nov 1906
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Philadelphia
Ship Name: Friesland
Search Ship Database: Search for the Friesland in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

a labourer

1901
Name: John Colocott
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Egremont, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Liscard
Search Photos: Search for 'Liscard' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: New Brighton St James
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Wallasey
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3402
Folio: 18
Page Number: 27
Household schedule number: 164
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 43
Mary J Williams 38
Marjorie Williams 3
John R Williams 3
Charles B Williams 10/12
Elizabeth Spark 19
John Colocott 19

there is this But quitea few john's in USA and Australia

Name: John Colescott
SSN: 709-14-9510
Last Residence:
81212 Canon City, Fremont, Colorado, USA
BORN: 17 Oct 1882
Died: Jan 1978
State (Year) SSN issued: Railroad Board (Issued Through) (Before 1951)


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Passenger Lists
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Name: John Colocott
Departure: 28 Mar 1908 - Liverpool, England
Destination: Melbourne, Australi


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
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Name: Mr J Colocott
Birth: abt 1878
Departure: 6 Aug 1920 - Liverpool, England
Destination: Montreal, Canada

just clutching at straws now sorry

I suspect he will be one of those. That generation of Colocotts got around a bit!

Thanks

I can see a John Colocott death in Australia in 1954. I can't view the document but it says his father was James and his mother Caroline Goodchild.
The John that I am looking for is the son of James Colocott and Caroline Goodhall. Does anyone have any access to the actual document, or any more info about the Autralian John? I think its Melbourne

where did you see that death?

It helps if you tell us that so that we don't have to do a huge search!!

Hi Sylvia, Ancestry. I can see it but don't have international access

Not sure about this, Cornwall and Devon are close, but the two "L"s; I will need further credits to have a look, which I will do if you think it is connected.

John Collocott
Cornwall Baptisms

Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England

County
Cornwall
Year
1742

Birth Year
1742

Well done helpers so far!

Peahen

Here it is:


Cornwall Baptisms
First Name John
Last Name Collocott
Collections from Great Britain
Gender Male
Country England
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record collection Births & baptisms
Record set Cornwall Baptisms
County Cornwall
Year 1742
Mother's Given Name Elizabeth
Mother's Last Name -
Father's First Name John
First Names John
Father's Last Name Collocott
Date 17 May 1742
Birth Year 1742
Parish Marhamchurch
Place Marhamchurch
Relationship Son

From Cornish Family History Soc.
Peahen

Clive ...........


here's that death, I found it on FindMyPast (GMP). There is no image to check


Queensland Deaths 1829-1964

First name(s) John
Last name Colocott
Registration year 1954
Registration number 1954/B003588
Death date 06 Aug 1954
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Caroline
Mother's last name Goodchild
State Queensland
Country Australia
Record set Queensland Deaths 1829-1964
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Australia & New Zealand

The death is also on Queensland bmds ..... and you can buy a copy of the death certificate

1954 B3588 John Colocott James Caroline Goodchild

Order


https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/querySubmit.m?ReportName=DeathSearch

Historical Certificates cost $29 each and Historical Images cost $20.70 each

Thanks Peahen, there are a lot of Collocotts with a double L in Devon and Cornwall. There must be overlaps and mis-spellings but I will concentrate on the correct spelling for now. I have had a fantastic response!

Sylvia - it could be someone completely unrelated. I can't find a James Colocott marrying a Caroline Goodchild though...

Agree with your comments and you have had a great response here - just a thought!

Good luck,
Peahen

Clive ........

you have a James Colocott marrying a Caroline Goodhall, and having a child John.

the death certificate says Caroline Goodchild

It's close!!


Remember that the information on any death certificate is given by an informant, not the deceased, Much of the information is hearsay.

It is always possible that the informant gets much information wrong ..... mis-remembers, forgets, wasn't told the truth, the deceased changed his / her name, took off or added years to his age, etc etc

I figure that the only information on an English death certificate that you can trust to be accurate is the following .......

date and place of death
cause of death
name and address of informant
name and address of doctor and / or coroner

Literally everything else is what the informant was told.

I think the same probably applies to death certificates in other countries, based on information that I have seen on Scottish and Australian records for families that I have been researching!


The only way to determine what has happened is to buy the death certificate, and hope that the informant was a member of the family whose name you recognise ........... the information might not be what you expect (eg, Goodchild instead of Goodhall), but at least it is a family member.

The problem comes if the informant is unknown to you .... eg, hospital, manager of care home, neighbour, etc etc

Isn't it below?...

Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
Colocott James Lambeth 1d 540
Goodall Caroline Lambeth 1d 540

Chris :)

(below posted earlier)

COLOCOTT, ALFRED JAMES (GOODALL)
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 513


https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

(you can check Births on above, using a Mother's Maiden Surname (see those other options available, for Surname Variants)


Edits (Marriage on London, Ancestry)

25th April 1864. St. Mary, Lambeth
James Colocott (of full age) Bachelor occ. Law Clerk. Father, John Colocott occ. Wheelwright.
Caroline Goodall (minor) Spinster. Father, George Goodall occ. Farmer.
wits. John Colocott and ?) (would say James L Gawler, witness also 1857 Marriage, Lucy Goodall, Father, George, occ. Gardener)

(writing not very good!, would say Walcot Square?, as Residence at time, for both)


1871 (Find My Past)
James Colocott Head - Male 28 1843 - Surrey, England (Solicitor's Clerk)
Caroline Colocott Wife - Female 23 1848 - Buckinghamshire, England
Alfred J Colocott Son - Male 5 1866 - Cheshire, England
William H Colocott Son - Male 2 1869 - Cheshire, England
Street Meadow Street
Parish Liscard
County Cheshire
Registration district Birkenhead
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 3753
Folio 69
Page 55


1881 (Find My Past)
James Colacott Head Married Male 38 1843 Solicitors General Clerk (Law Clk) Southwark, Surrey, England
Caroline Colacott Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Wavendon, Buckinghamshire, England
Alfred J Colacott Son Single Male 15 1866 Drapery Warehouse Boy Wallasey, Cheshire, England
William W Colacott Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Mary A B Colocott Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Tranmere, Cheshire, England
Albert Colacott Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Wallasey, Cheshire, England
James E Colacott Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Wallasey, Cheshire, England
House number 12
Street Trafalgar Road
Parish Liscard
County Cheshire
Registration district Birkenhead
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 3590
Folio 98
Page 4


(a Southwark Baptism (James Collicott) on London, Ancestry, Parents John/Mary Ann. Born 5/8/1842. Abode, Windsor Place. Father occ. Coach Wheeler)


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(above Australian Newspapers might be worth a look round on)


(address on 1864 Marriage Cert.)

1871 (Find My Past)
John Colocott Head (Widower) Male 60 1811 - Devon, England (Master Coach Wheelwright)
Ellen Colocott Daughter - Female 21 1850 - Surrey, England
Street 4 Walcot Square
Parish Lambeth
City Lambeth
County London, Surrey
Registration district Lambeth
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 663
Folio 58
Page 22

(at same address below also)

1861 (Find My Past)
John Colocott Head ... Male 50 1811 Wheelwright Devonport, Devon, England
Mary A Colocott Wife - Female 48 1813 - Devonport, Devon, England
James Colocott Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Solicitors Clk London, Middlesex, England
Sarah Colocott Daughter - Female 14 1847 - London, Middlesex, England
Ellen Colocott Daughter - Female 11 1850 - London, Middlesex, England
Alice Colocott Daughter - Female 6 1855 - London, Middlesex, England
House number 4
Street Walcot Square
Parish Lambeth
County London, Surrey
Parliamentary borough Lambeth
Ecclesiastical district St Mary Church
Registration district Lambeth
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 353
Folio 51
Page 24

Chris - you are a genius!
This article is 100% him. I now know he was definitely in Australia in 1931. I have a copy of the will from his Uncle John Edwin Colocott from 1930. My Grandfather was also a beneficiary

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75491149?searchTerm=colocott&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1900-01-01|||dateTo=1970-12-31|||sortby

It will be interesting to find out whether he made the most of the money....

https://tinyurl.com/jlefrtq

https://tinyurl.com/jqlbjsr

(last column on right)

(also above, 1954)


Queensland funeral records Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John
Last name Colocott
Age 72
Birth year 1882
Burial year 1954
Burial date 06 Aug 1954
Place Brisbane
State Queensland
Country Australia
Source Km Smith
Register reference 41a/14626


Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 (Ancestry)

John Colocott
Male 1954 Queensland Brisbane Brisbane
(175, Wharf St. City)


COLOCOTT, JOHN (GOODALL)
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 547


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1881

COLOCOTT John Wallasey Wirral WAL/35/76

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Chris :)

https://tinyurl.com/

(above useful to shorten links)

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/records_office/thread/1198324?d=asc

(I don't know if Cherilyn is still about for above, but she could perhaps 'dig ' more!)