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Thomas Morgan - assistance please

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Dea

Dea Report 18 Jul 2015 10:20

This would be his burial:

Death: 10 Jan 1895 All Souls and St John Vianney, Weaste, Lancashire, England
Patricius Morgan -
Burial: 15 Jan 1895
Age: 69 annos
Abode: Pendleton
Buried by: Franciscus Connell
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

I don't know if you would get any further info regarding a possible headstone or if he was buried with anyone else etc. from the church ?

website:
http://www.stjamesandallsouls.co.uk/about.htm



They have an archivist based here:

Want to research your family tree?
Contact the archivist

Ms. Margaret Travis
St James R.C. Church
Pendleton Way
Salford
M6 5HQ

Tel: 0161 736 1935

Dea x

Clive

Clive Report 19 Jul 2015 10:17

Dea,

you are very resourceful and thank for the help.
Found from death certificate of Patrick Morgan. Elizabeth Gibbons is recorded as the informant - sister in law of Patrick. She was living at 23 Lissadel Street.
I looked for Elizabeth Gibbons on the 1891 census (4 years before Patrick's death) and she and her family were living at 23 Lissadel Street. - so the same family.
I then looked for the family on the 1881 census and found them.
I looked for a marriage record for her husband Henry Gibbons just before their first child was born. I found their BMD wedding record.

Marriages Dec 1871
Gibbons Henry Manchester 8d 632
JONES Elizabeth Manchester 8d 632

Which matched the Jones association with her sister Margaret.

1881 census
16, Priory View, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire
Henry Gibbons Head Married Male 32 1849 Blacksmiths Striker Salford,
Elizabeth Gibbons Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Stafford, Staffordshire
Thos Hy Gibbons Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Salford,
Ann Gibbons Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Salford,
Sarah E Gibbons Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Salford,
Mary E Gibbons Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Salford,


1891 census
Lissadel Street, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England
Henry Gibbons Head Married 42 1849 Blacksmiths Striker Pendleton,
Elizabeth Gibbons Wife Married 39 1852 - Burslem, Staffordshire
Thomas H Gibbons Son Single 18 1873 Wiredrawers Apprentice Pendleton,
Annie Gibbons Daughter Single 16 1875 Cloth Weaver Pendleton,
Sarah E Gibbons Daughter Single 13 1878 Gatherer Pendleton,
Mary E Gibbons Daughter Single 11 1880 Scholar Pendleton,
Maggie Gibbons Daughter Single 8 1883 Scholar Pendleton,
James Gibbons Son Single 6 1885 Scholar Pendleton,
Leah Gibbons Daughter Single 3 1888 Scholar Pendleton,
Ernest Gibbons Son Single 1 1890 - Pendleton,


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Borough Street, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England (Borough Street, where the Morgan Family appear later in the timeline, so MAYBE this is Margaret Jones who marries Patrick. Margaret also has a younger sister that matches - Elizabeth.
Thomas Jones Head Married Male 42 1819 Porter Wales
Margaret Jones Wife Married Female 38 1823 Cotton Weaver Barton, Warwickshire, England
>Margaret Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1846 Scholar Wales
>Elizabeth Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1851 Scholar Staffordshire, England
Emma Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar Staffordshire, England

Patrick's address at death is 130 Gill Street. This is the same address that Mary Morgan (formerly Connell) died on 16 Nov 1894.Died 26 years old. Wife of Thomas Morgan (colliery labourer) Cause of death pregnancy - accidental haemorrhage.
130 Gill Street links Patrick, Mary Connell (who I believe is the first wife of Thomas, son of Patrick)

Would you concur?


Clive

Clive Report 19 Jul 2015 10:23

On the burial info for Patrick Morgan it states,
"Buried by: Franciscus Connell"

What does it refer to by "buried by"? Is this a family representative or the priest or undertaker/grave digger?
The name Connell stuck out as this would be the name of his daughter in law's family.

Dea

Dea Report 19 Jul 2015 10:58

That agrees with everything I found Clive so - yes, I would concur ;-) :-D

I also noted the name of Connell as the 'person who buried him' (This would be the priest or other church official who oversaw the burial ) - I think the name is probably just a co-incidence but have been trying to check out if there is any connection.

None so far.......

Dea x

Clive

Clive Report 19 Jul 2015 11:52

what link does your family have with Gill Street?

Dea

Dea Report 19 Jul 2015 12:04

Can't remember Clive BUT I do remember the link to Lissadel St where the Gibbons were in 1891 - My Grandparents and my Aunty & Uncle lived there until around the 60's and we were just around the corner in Heber St.

It is very frustrating as all the old maps I have found of Pendleton & Salford seem to cut off just about in the Lissadel St area and I have yet to find one showing Heber St., although I remember where it was in relation so I can work it out !! :-(

Were you brought up in this area ? If so, around what time?

Dea x

Clive

Clive Report 19 Jul 2015 20:36

I wasn't but father and his family did.

Clive

Clive Report 30 Jul 2015 21:30

Dea,

I wonder whether the old maps on here would show you Heber Street?
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/381207/400049/10/101393

Dea

Dea Report 31 Jul 2015 08:00

Thank you Clive - I have been on that site before but not for several years so I will take another look.

I have had a quick look and found Lissadel St but not Heber St. which is a street off it. - There must be one with a larger scale where I can find it !!

Just waiting for grandchildren to arrive - they are here for the day so I will take a LONG look when they have gone home.

Thanks again,

Dea Xxx