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Here's (single) Frederick in MT 1910 - no idea why it's all x'ed out, but he must have been there to give details
https://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po833unit#page/n383/mode/1up

In 1930, Fred & Bea both say their first marr was when they were 17y younger.

Bea became a US citizen in 1913 with her marr, and entered the US in 1916.
The 1920 enumerator stuffed up, and switched the 2 dates.
He even says the 5y old Ruby immigrated in 1913!!!

You confused me there Cheryl - I wondered who Mary Pitts Jennings was :-S

There are 5 names on the record I posted above - 2 of them are for Mary Cordelia Burt as they seemed unsure of the spelling of her neme.

The other two are another couple who were married around the same time and their marriage was recorded on the same page of the Parish Register as 'your couple'.

Parish Registers usually have room to record details of two marriages on the same page so they are given the same page ref and volume number.

Dea x

Thankyou for clearing that up for me.

I am so overwhelmed with all the information I have recieved in the last few days that some of it hasnt sunk in yet, and Im getting myself confused.
Cheryl

I am curious about something here - could you please tell me if this is Rosina, your 2nd Gt. Grandmother and her family - including the Frederick you are following:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tresawsen, Perranzabuloe, Truro, Cornwall, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Vincent Head Married Male 43 1838 Farm Labourer Redruth, Cornwall, England
Cordelia Vincent Wife Married Female 44 1837 Farm Labourer Wife St Erme, Cornwall, England
William Jr Vincent Son Single Male 22 1859 Farm Labourer Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
John Vincent Son Single Male 17 1864 Farm Labourer St Allen, Cornwall, England
Annie Vincent Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - St Allen, Cornwall, England
Rosina Vincent Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar St Agnes, Cornwall, England
Frederick Vincent Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Crantock, Cornwall, England

Thanks,

Dea x

It certainly is Dea

Then if that is the correct family - I have this:

Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%)
Vincent Cordelia Keast 46 Truro 5c 79


Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
BURT Maria Truro 5c 240 Scan available - click to view
Vincent William Truro 5c 240 Scan available - click to view



Looks like William remarried but BURT connection is strange??

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park Farm Cottage, Trennick, St Clement, Truro, Cornwall, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Vincent Head Married Male 55 1836 Farm Labourer Redruth, Cornwall, England
Maria Vincent Wife Married Female 42 1849 - St Clement, Cornwall, England
Frederick Vincent Son Single Male 18 1873 Farm Labourer Newlyn, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Burt Mother In Law Widow Female 78 1813 - Cornwall, England


I don't know if Burt is a very common name in the area but in view of the other couple's marriage we looked at, I am inclined to hunt around a little.............

It may be a total co-incidence but I will see if I can find anything further.

Dea x

If the 1891 family I posted is the same as the 1881 I posted then this looks strage because:

Maryb posted:
Fred born 14/4/1874 in Helston went to USA 15/9/1895 left USA 24/1/1913,he was a farmer.




mgnv posted:

1891 Census
Piece: RG12/1850 Place: Redruth -Cornwall Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Camborne Ecclesiastical Parish: St Martins
Folio: 86 Page: 12 Schedule: 79
Address: Carnarthen Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
PEARCE Sarah Head W F 50 House Keeper Cornwall - Redruth
PEARCE Anna Dau S F 20 Milliner(Em'ee) Cornwall - Camborne
PEARCE Sarah Dau S F 18 House Assistant Cornwall - Camborne
PEARCE Samuel Son - M 15 Tin Miner(Em'ee) Cornwall - Camborne
VINCENT Fred Lodger - M 17 Tin Miner(Em'ee) Cornwall - Helston
PEARCE Samuel J Lodger - M 7 Scholar Cornwall - Camborne


The 1891 Frederick I posted with father William can't be the same as the one lodging with the Pearce's (although it has been known for people to be recorded twice - once with family and once elsewhere).

Yet Maryb semms to have some proof that the one who went to USA is the one born in Helston?


Perhaps people could look into this further please?

I have the grandchildren later so will have to leave it soon but will pick up on it again when they go home.

Dea x

Thankyou so much Dea. I couldnt seem to find Maria Burt's father. There were alot of Elizabeths around. Maria's birth year was 1843. Yeh I will certainly keep looking.

Cheryl

What I can understand with Fred is he went to Us in 1895, came back met and married Beatrice then went back to US . Baby Ruby was born 1914 and when she was 2yrs old Fred came back to England then the family moved back to the US

cheryl

Could well be this family Cheryl:


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Trencreck, St Columb Minor, St Columb, Cornwall, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Burt Head Married Male 40 1811 Farmer 18 Acre St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Burt Wife Married Female 39 1812 Farmer Wife St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England
Ann Burt Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Farmer Daughter St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Burt Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 Farmer Daughter St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England
John Burt Son - Male 10 1841 Farmer Son St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England
Maria Burt Daughter - Female 7 1844 Farmer Daur St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England
Mary Burt Daughter - Female 5 1846 Farmer Daur St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England
Louisa Burt Daughter - Female 4 1847 Farmer Daur St Columb Minor, Cornwall, England

Dea x

That is very strange. I have Maria Burt (second wife to my 3rd great grandfather William Vincent) her birth is 1843 the census have Maria 1844. I also have Elizabeth born 1838 who married James Vincent (my 3rd great grand uncle)

Cheryl

Probates

William Vincent late of 23 Union Place Truro died 20/11/1891at this address. Admin to Maria Edmonds Vincent, widow £1,100

Maria Edmonds Vincent of Laity Redruth, widow, died 21/12/1910 Admin to Elizabeth Emily Treseder widow £35.10s

Day Month 24-Dec
Year 1898
Parish Or Reg District Kea
Groom Fn Frederick
Groom Sn VINCENT
Groom Age 25
Groom Residence Nancevallon, Kea
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Farm Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name William
Groom Father Rank Profession Labourer
Bride Fn Mary Cordelia
Bride Sn BURT
Bride Age 24
Bride Residence Nancevallon, Kea
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name John
Bride Father Rank Profession Labourer
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Joseph
Witness Sn1 SANDERCOCK
Witness Fn2 Emma
Witness Sn2 SANDERCOCK

(can see above, if any help!)

Chris :)

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

Cheryl


birth years on the census record will almost always vary by at least one year, and sometimes 2, from the known birth year.


When the census was taken, people were asked their age in years .................

............. modern day transcribers had to then translate age year into birth year


whether the transcriber's birth year matches the real birth year depends on the actual date that the census was taken vs the actual birth date .................




You should always search for people i records by birth year +/- 2 to take this discrepancy into account.

Maria Burt had a brother Jonathan born in 1852.

He married a Louisa Mitchell in 1871:

Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
BURT Jonathan Truro 5c 245
Goyne Elizabeth Truro 5c 245
Mitchell Louisa Truro 5c 245
Tregea John Truro 5c 245

They were the parents of the Mary Cordelia Burt who married 'a' Frederick Vincent in 1898................

These two families are VERY intertwined!!!

Dea x

Baptism
Day Month 29-Apr
Year 1874
Parish Or Reg District Helston
Forename Frederick
Surname VINCENT
Sex Son
Father Forename John
Mother Forename Ann VINCENT
Residence Helston
Father Rank Profession mason
Notes b. 14-Apr-1874 |


Birth: Apr. 14, 1873
Death: May 31, 1965
Burial:
Sunset Memorial Gardens
Helena
Lewis and Clark County
Montana, USA
Plot: D 3D1

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi

(noticed above, but that 1898 Marriage names a William for his Father!)

Chris :)

(apologies if confusing folks, think I've lost the plot, lol)

I am so so confused. I already lost the plot so I had to go to bed.

It makes it awkward when families marry into their own families. If this was my Frederick who married Mary Cordelia Burt then how could he be in the US in 1895, unless he was back and forward quite a bit.

Cheryl

I think we have all lost the plot here so I am not surprised if you have gone off to bed - I am just about to do the same thing !!

I don't think it was 'your' Frederick who married Mary Cordelia but I do think that he was part of your family one way or another !!

We will start again tomorrow and try to unravel it all !

What a very complicated family you do have :-S :-S :-S

It is certainly a very interesting one!

Nite nite now,

Dea Xxx

Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
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VINCENT Roseine Truro 5c 164
Vincent Roseins Truro 5c 164


Baptism
Day Month 02-Jun
Year 1874
Parish Or Reg District Newlyn East
Forename Rosina
Surname VINCENT
Sex
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Cordelia
Residence Choon
Father Rank Profession labourer

(just adding above, is this her on 1881 posted above?)


http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

Chris :)


Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
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Vincent William Truro 5c 313
Keast Cordelia Truro 5c 313


edits (for mention of Death 1900, perhaps below)

Burial
Day Month 18-Nov
Year 1900
Parish Or Reg District Columb Major, St., Cemetery
Forename Rosey
Surname VINCENT
Age 27
Residence
Notes In Unconsecrated Ground, Grave: 1853, Fee: 7s , Burial reg. entry: 49/1969
Transcriber Notes From Graves Register


Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Vincent Rosey 27 St Columb 5c 56

Hi Chris,
Yes thats her in the 1881 census. She died very young around 1900.

Dea I think you do need a good night sleep because Frederick is my 2nd great grandmothers brother. Nite nite
Cheryl