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Trying to find my Nan Minnie Hodgkinson's mum

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HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 08:21

Yeah I saw this one. If it is though it's not the same one as the death in 1907

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 08:27

OK I think we can rule out the Tettenhall Charles as he had children late 80's early 90's with Ellen (from the 1887 marriage).

So now need to try and find Charles in 1901

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 13 Aug 2012 08:28

Charles Jesse Hodgkinson who died in 1907 left his monies to Widow Clara Ellen Hodgkinson....... I don't think that is the right death for this Charles?? :-D

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 08:39

No I said that it's the wrong Charles.

In the 1911 census for Margaret (widowed) she has completed the married/children bit and then it is crossed out. Years completed for marriage are 3 which suggests that he died in 1902

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 09:10

I think that this is young Charles in 1911

Name: Charles Hodgkinson
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: South America
Civil parish: Darwen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Bull Hill Farm Darwen
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cow Man On Farm
Registration district: Blackburn
Registration District Number: 474
Sub-registration district: Darwen
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 25160
Household Members:
Name Age
William Albert Holden 30
Rosetta Holden 30
Betsy Alice Holden 3
Florrie Holden 1
Charles Hodgkinson 18

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 13 Aug 2012 09:38

And the 1881
Charles Hodkinson
[Charles Hodgkinson]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Hodkinson
Mother's Name: Ellen Hodkinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Chorley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Lord St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Picture Frame Maker (C & G)
Registration district: Chorley


Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hodkinson 41
Ellen Hodkinson 39
Samuel Hodkinson 15
Charles Hodkinson 15
James Hodkinson 14
Wilfrid Hodkinson 10
Ada A. Hodkinson 8
Adelina Mary Hodkinson 6
Annie Hodkinson 3
Ellen Hodkinson 1

It might not help much but it does narrow down the time he left for the US

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Aug 2012 09:43

1881 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Lord Street
Parish Chorley
District Chorley, Chorley
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Thomas Hodkinson
Age 41
Estimated Year of Birth 1840
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Insurance Agent
Birth Place Whittle
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Ellen Hodkinson
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1842
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Tyldsley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 3
Name Samuel Hodkinson
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1866
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Drapers Apprentice
Birth Place Chorley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name Charles Hodkinson
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1866
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Picture Frame Maker (C & G)
Birth Place Chorley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name James Hodkinson
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1867
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Assistant Warehouse Man In A Cotton Mill
Birth Place Chorley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Wilfrid Hodkinson
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Chorley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name Ada A Hodkinson
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 8
Name Adelina Mary Hodkinson
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 9
Name Annie Hodkinson
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 10
Name Ellen Hodkinson
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire



same family as given in 1871 for possible father charles

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 13 Aug 2012 09:44

There are only 3 Charles Hodgkinsons born 1866 +/- 2 years on the 1881. There are only two on the 1891.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 10:06

It seems likely it is Chorley Charles and as Mary Alice was born in USA in 1890, Charles in 1892 and Minnie in 1897 that he emigrated somethime after 1881 and sometime before 1890

He seems to go from a specialised trade of frame maker to labourer though?

Can't find an emigration though

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Aug 2012 10:25

1891 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 44, Ashfield Road
Parish Chorley
District Chorley, Chorley
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Thomas Hodgkinson
Age 51
Estimated Year of Birth 1840
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Accountant and Insurance Agent
Birth Place Whittle
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Ellen Hodgkinson
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1842
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 3
Name Ada Alice Hodgkinson
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Dressmaker
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name Adelina M Hodgkinson
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Milliner
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name Anne Hodgkinson
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Ellen Hodgkinson
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name Emily Hodgkinson
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 13 Aug 2012 11:32

This is a couple of years out on the birth year, but it's the only thing I can find on a possible mother, so it may be worth looking at.

Hopefully, someone more capable than myself will copy and paste this.

West Virginia Births Index

Name: M.A. Hodgkinson
Birth date: 5 Nov 1888

Father's name: Charles Hodgkinson
Age: 24
Birth place: Lancastor County, Eng

Mother's name: Rose Griffith Hodgkinson
Age: 27
Birth place: Clarke County, VA

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 13 Aug 2012 11:49

I was hoping to find Mary A. on the 1911 census, to find out whereabouts she was born, but I can't.

Has anyone else managed to find her?

Does anyone know how to order old birth certificates from the U.S.A?

There doesn't seem to be any useful information on Google.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 13 Aug 2012 12:14

There's also this one on the West Virginia Births Index

Name: T.W. Hodgkinson
Birth date: 15 Jul 1887

Father's name: Chas. Hodgkinson
Age: 23
Birth place: Lancasshire, Eng

Morther's name: Martha R. Griffith Hodgkinson
Age: 26

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 12:21

For interest

Charles Wilfred

Name: Charles W Hodgkinson
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Arrival Port: Pacific Highway, British Columbia
Date of Arrival: 23 Jan 1932
Birth Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Gender: Male
Citizenship: American

Wife born Stonehouse Devon in 1898

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 12:23

I know it's not what you're after but here she is in 1901

Name: Blodwen Perkins
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Williams Perkins
Mother's Name: Catherine Perkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Stonehouse, Devon, England
Civil parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 358
Piece: 2099
Folio: 26
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Williams Perkins 37
Catherine Perkins 28
William Perkins 10
John Perkins 5
Blodwen Perkins 3

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Aug 2012 12:24

possible marriage for mary alice


Marriage Record Name Mary A Hoskinson
Year of Marriage 1912
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Chorley
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Walsh
Volume Number 8E
Volume Page 1216

Spouse Match: Mary A HOSKINSON married Henry WALSH

Name Henry Walsh
Year of Marriage 1912
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Chorley
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Hoskinson
Volume Number 8E
Volume Page 1216

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Aug 2012 12:33

this looks like mary alice in 1901

1901 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address Rock Villa Mansion
Civil Parish Whittle Le Woods
Rural District Chorley
Town or Village or Hamlet Whittle Le Woods
Ecclesiastical Parish Whittle Le Woods St John
Parliamentary Borough or Division Chorley North Lancashire
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Lancaster

Householder 1
Name Sarah A Chatwyn
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Bury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Ada Alice Dean
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Matron In Home For Orphans
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Flixton Mancts
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Jessie Drake
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 8
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Maude Drake
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 6
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name Susan Griffiths
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Doing General Housework
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Liverpool
Language
Infirmity

Householder 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
Name Mary A Hodgkinson
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born U S A Brittish Subject
Language
Infirmity

Householder 7
Name Isabel Olkam
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Manchester
Language
Infirmity

Householder 8
Name Amelia Pilkinson
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 9
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Chorley
Language
Infirmity

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 12:36

That's posted earlier PP but it's not as nicely set out :-)

Can't find her in 1911 though

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Aug 2012 12:48

ok lol im losing the plot here i cant seem to find her in 1911 either :-D

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Aug 2012 12:56

I have tried searching without surname in 1911 in case she was adopted/taken in by a family and took their name but to no avail.

Even wondered if she might have gone back to America but not finding her

Marriage of Hoskinson looks a possibility but it is coming up as Hoskinson but it IS Mary Alice


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1912
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WALSH Henry HOSKINSON Mary Alice Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/38/161