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My great grandmother Fanny Louisa Judge was born in New York to English migrant parents about 1855. Her parents were Stephen Judge and Elizabeth Browne from Willesborough in Kent. Her siblings were Thomas William Judge b. c1852 and Annie Maria Judge b. c1857. Elizabeth and the three children are back in Kent with her father in 1861 and she is listed as a widow. When Fanny married my great grandfather James Henry Wood in 1875, her father is listed as Stephen Judge, gentleman – not deceased!
So, first question - did he die or did he stay in the USA and maybe fight in the civil war? Is there any way to find out?
Thomas married Bertha Harvey in Dover in 1873 and they had 8 children together – the first 3 born in London, then 2 in Kent, one in Bootle, Lancs in 1885. Then according to the 1901 census (Bertha died in 1892 and Thomas is married to Emily Shaw) they have a daughter Letitia born in New York in 1886. Their last child was Cecil Stanley Judge b. June 1890 in Cambridge, England
Could anyone with access to passenger lists please have a look for them going or returning either side of Letitia’s birth.?
Letitia arrived back in New York on May 5th 1909 – US citizen, single.
In the 1910 US federal census she is living in Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut with Isaac and Jane Dunn – listed as their neice.
I don’t know who the Dunn’s are!
Barry

Is this Stephen's arrival in USA? He's with Elizabeth.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Stephen Judge Name: Stephen Judge
Arrival Date: 3 Jul 1850
Birth Year: abt 1826
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Ashburton

Yes Margee that's them. He was listed as farmer.
Barry

The Dunns must have married in America? On the 1910 census they say they've been married for 27 years which would make it 1883 and it says that he emigrated 188l and she 1883.

Thanks Margee,
I guess that means they are both English but married in USA. Is it possible to find Jane's maiden name?
Barry

The nominal census date was 1/6/1850, so they should not appear on the 1850 census. I don't see them on the 1860 (nominal date of 1/6/1860), so I guess Eliz returned with her kids to stay with rellies in the UK.

You say Eliz was a widow in 1861. I would believe Stephen was dead, and just cos he wasn't explicitly named as deceased on his daur's m.cert wouldn't change my opinion. I've heard this lack of "deceased" was not uncommon, but I've not seen enough English m.certs with a dead father for me to say how common it actually was.

Looks like Isaac was married before!!

1900 United States Federal Census
about Isick F Dunn Name: Isick F Dunn
[Tsick F Dunn]
Home in 1900: Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut
[Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut]
Age: 39
Birth Date: Jun 1860
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1881
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Spouse's Name: Mary E Dunn
Marriage year: 1883
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 17
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isick F Dunn 39
Mary E Dunn 42 >> Born May 1858, England

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Isaac F Dunn Name: Isaac F Dunn
Arrival Date: 8 Oct 1908
Birth Year: abt 1860
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: dudley
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Caronia
Search Ship Database: Search the Caronia in the

Travelling with wife Jane, who also was born Dudley

Hi baptism;

Name: Isaac Dunn
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 15 May 1864
Baptism/Christening Place: Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1860
Birthplace: Dudley
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Isaac Dunn
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Letitia
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00426-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1040916
Reference Number:


His mothers name maybe of interest??

Still trying to tie Isaac or wifes into the Judge family....... his death doesn't help!!

Connecticut Death Index, 1949-2001
about Isaac Dunn Name: Isaac Dunn
Death Date: 16 Feb 1958
Death Place: Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut
Age: 97 Years
Birth Date: abt 1861
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse: Jane
State File #: 02159
Residence : Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut
Gender: Male
Race: White

Looking at the children for Issac and Letitia;

Name: Annie Letitia Shaw Dunn
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Jan 1868
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 05 Nov 1867
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Isaac Dunn
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Letitia
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04014-8
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 378785
Reference Number:


Her middle name Shaw maybe the link??

OK, looking at Isaac Dunn and Letitia again..... this looks like their marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-----------------------
Marriages Mar 1861
---------------------
Bishop Letitia Stourbridge 6c 157
Dunn Isaac Stourbridge 6c 157


The Letitia remarries;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
---------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1868
--------------------------------
Dunn Letitia Dudley 6c 14
LEES John Dudley 6c 14


This is her with Isaac Jnr in 1871;

1871 England Census
about Emily Bishop Name: Emily Bishop
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Henry Bishop
Mother's name: Hannah Bishop
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Brockmoor
Town: Brierly Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 3027
Folio: 141
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bishop 55
Hannah Bishop 54
Lettica Lees 29
Harriett Bishop 13
Isaac Bishop 10 >> Born Dudley
Emily Bishop 8
Henry Bishop 7
Walter Bishop 5
John Bishop 2
Sharcott Sadler 25


Now his sister Emily is born in the same place as Emily who married Thomas W Judge.

Now I can't trace any of the above family after 1871, so I think if I were you I would get the marriage cert for Thomas and Emily.


Dee x

OK, so this is Isaac's brother;

1910 United States Federal Census
about Walter Dunn Name: Walter Dunn
Age in 1910: 45
Estimated Birth Year: 1865
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Spouse's Name: Martha M Dunn
Home in 1910: New Canaan, Fairfield, Connecticut
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Dunn 45
Martha M Dunn 45
Gertrude Dunn 21
John M Dunn 15
Harry H Dunn 14
William P Dunn 6


His marriage;

Groom's Name: Walter Dunn
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Martha Maria Morris
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1888
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name: Isaac Dunn
Groom's Mother's Name: Lett...Cia Bishop
Bride's Father's Name: John Morris
Bride's Mother's Name: Mary Ann G...Ff...
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00490-5
System Origin: New_York-ODM
Source Film Number: 1558510
Reference Number:

Now it gets even more confusing!!!

Groom's Name: Hans Johnson
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Emily Dunn Judge
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1891
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name: Joahn
Groom's Mother's Name: Emilie Edoward
Bride's Father's Name: Isaac Dunn
Bride's Mother's Name: Letticia Bishop
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00768-5
System Origin: New_York-ODM
Source Film Number: 1452208
Reference Number:

Many thanks to all who have contributed - I'll work my way through and post when I have the marriage cert for Thomas and Emily.
I'm beginning to wonder if Letitia b.1886 actually was the daughter of Bertha and Thomas - their daughter Maud Emily was born Jun Q 1885 and Letitia was born in January 1886 - calculated from her age of 24 years 4 months on May 5th 1909 when she arrived in New York.
Would there have been a birth certificate for Letitia 1886 in New York?
Barry

So, the Dunn family at long last;

1880 United States Federal Census
about Emily Dunn Name: Emily Dunn
Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of Household: Dau (Daughter)
Father's birthplace: England
Mother's name: Letitia Dunn
Mother's birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Letitia Dunn 40
Emily Dunn 18
Henry Dunn 16
John Dunn 11

Thanks again - I'm in Australia, so off to bed now! Will look again in the morning.
Barry

Hi Baz,

I haven't found a birth for her yet.

Come across this;

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Mrs. Letitia Dunn Name: Mrs. Letitia Dunn
Arrival Date: 15 Nov 1894
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic

States her residence was Cambridge!1

Think this is her death;

New York City Deaths, 1892-1902
about Letitia Dunn Name: Letitia Dunn
Birth Date: abt 1840
Age: 55
Death Date: 21 Oct 1895
Death Place: New York, New York
Certificate Number: 36284



Still thinking that Thomas's 2nd wife Emily was Isaac Dunns sister and hence Letitia born C.1886 staying with them in 1910.

Ok Barry, night night.

I wonder if Thomas Judge fathered Letitia with Emily Dunn whilst he was in the USA???

Hi BMD,
In the land of the living again! I laid awake thinking last night the same thing!
Thomas's daughter Maud Emily was born 1885 in Bootle, Lancs.
I'm thinking that maybe Thomas hooked up with Emily before Bertha died.
There is a marriage Thomas William Judge to Emily Johnson Jun Q 1893 Liverpool 8b 63 - could she have used a false name? Don't know why Johnson when she had so many others to choose from. I think it must be him as I can't find any other Thomas William's born at the right time.
Barry
Edit: Just realised Emily Dunn Judge married Hans Johnson!!! But why had she added Judge to her name in 1891 when she didn't marry Thomas until 1893???