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Hi Barry,

Not sure whats happened...... I'm having a few probs on GR at the mo, very annoying!! If you don't hear from me it's cos I can't get onto the site!!

But I will be back as soon as possible. Just added very quickly to 1 thread and what should have took 2 mins took 30 mins.......... doin' me 'ead in.


Dee x

Hi Barry,

I looked again at the oher Isaac Dunn born c.1840 and it's not your man and this confirms it;

Name: Isaac Dunn
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 10 Nov 1867
Burial Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Death Date:
Death Place:
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1841
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03533-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1470601
Reference Number: Item 2 p337

Thanks Dee,
Isaac must have died within days of Annie Letitia being born. So she could have been his child.......or not.
John must have been John Lees' son but he doesn't seem to have used the name Lees - always appearing as John Dunn. There are no John Lees in Stourbridge 1869 but there are two John Dunn's!
Barry

Connecticut Death Index, 1949-2001
about Letit J Mott
Name: Letit J Mott
Death Date: 26 Oct 1967
Death Place: Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut
Age: 79 Years
Birth Date: abt 1888
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse: Haro
State File #: 19404
Residence : Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut
Gender: Female
Race: White

Social Security Death Index
about Letitia Mott
Name: Letitia Mott
SSN: 047-22-9874
Last Residence: 06606 Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut, United States of America
Born: 12 Nov 1888
Died: Oct 1967
State (Year) SSN issued: Connecticut (Before 1951)



Newspaper: Bridgeport Post, The
Publication: 27 Oct 1967 - Bridgeport, Connecticut



Obit Friday Oct 27th 1967

Mrs Letia Judge Mott age 79. of 2242 East Main St. widow of Harold B Mott, died last night at her home.

Service will take place Monday. 11am ain the Albert W Spear funeral home, 1222 Fairfield Ave, Rev Alber W Sheckells, pastor of the First Baptist Church, burrial in Mountain Grove Cemetery.

Mrs Mott a native of NY City had lived there most of her life. Survivors are two sones, Ronald J, of Reading, PA and Wesley E Mott of Monroe, a daughter Mrs Marjorie Paternoster, of Bridgeport and five grandchildren and a great grandchild and several brothers and sisters in England


Reading through your thread I couldnt see this census so I thought I might as well add it to the mix!

1910 United States Federal Census
about Letitia Judge
Name: Letitia Judge
Age in 1910: 24
Estimated Birth Year: 1886
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Niece
Father's Birth Place: New York
Mother's Birth Place: England
Home in 1910: Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Dunn 49
Jane Dunn 48
Letitia Judge 24

1930 United States Federal Census
about Letta Mott
Name: Letta Mott
Home in 1930: Bridgeport, Fairfield, Connecticut
View Map
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Harold V Mott
Race: White

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harold V Mott 36
Letta Mott 42
Ronald Mott 19
Mary Mott 16
Wesley Mott 7

HI

I just noticed your name as the last poster on Ts lookup thread for the US

Can you tell T what you already have or she might spend loads of time duplicating the info you already have

I'll stick the link on her thread

Edit: Sorry, I see you have already put the link and a note on

x

1901 England Census
about Letitia Judge
Name: Letitia Judge
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas W Judge
Mother's name: Emily Judge
Gender: Female
Where born: United States

Civil parish: Chelmsford
Ecclesiastical parish: Chelmsford St Mary
Town: Chelmsford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England


Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub-registration district: Chelmsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 1671
Folio: 31
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W Judge 49 <<NY
Emily Judge 38 <<Dudley
Thomas W Judge 24
John A Judge 22
Letitia Judge 15
Cecil S Judge 10
Frank H Judge 6
Annie Judge 4
Ellene W Judge 2
Clara E Judge 8 Months
Annie L Shaw 32
Annie Sewell 20
Emily Mille 16


She travelling alone back to the US

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Letitia Judge
Name: Letitia Judge
Arrival Date: 13 May 1909
Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 24 Years 4 Months
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Southampton
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic
Search Ship Database: Search the Teutonic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

I take it Letitia is in still in the US?


Name: Thomas W Judge
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Bertha Judge
Gender: Male
Where born: New York, United States

Civil parish: St Andrew The Less
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Cambridge
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Cambridge
Sub-registration district: St Andrew the Less
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1285
Folio: 54
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W Judge 39
Bertha Judge 36 <<<<Dover
Bertha A Judge 17
Stephen H Judge 15
Thomas W Judge 14
John A Judge 12
Maude E Judge 6
Cecil S Judge 10/12
Mary J Woods 18
John Underdown 33

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
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HARVEY Bertha Dover 2a 1073
JUDGE Thomas William Dover 2a 1073

I was curious why Emily became Bertha. Maybe she didnt like the name Bertha and decided on Emily instead!


1911

JUDGE, Thomas William Head Married M 59 1852 Publician New York U S a Resident
JUDGE, Emily Wife
Married 17 years F 48 1863 Assisting In The Business Cambridge
JUDGE, Frank Harold Son Single M 16 1895 Assisting In The Business Cambridge
JUDGE, Annie Daughter Single F 14 1897 School Chelmsford Essex
JUDGE, Ellenor Maud Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Chelmsford Essex
JUDGE, Clara Ellen Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Chelmsford Essex VJUDGE, Irene Kate Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Chelmsford Essex
JUDGE, Caroline Doris Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Chelmsford Essex GYFORDS, Lucy Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Bishop Hertford

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10047 Reference:
RG14PN10047 RG78PN529 RD194 SD2 ED2 SN48

Registration District:
Chelmsford Sub District:
Chelmsford Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Chelmsford

Address:
Market House Tindal St Chelmsford County:
Essex

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Thomas William Judge
Name: Thomas William Judge
Probate Date: 7 Oct 1921
Death Date: 31 Aug 1921
Death Place: Chelmsford, Essex, England
Registry: London

Of the Market House Chelmsford £5530. 2s 7d to Emily Judge, widow, Cecil Stanley Judge, manager and Walter Fortin Catt. merchant


1911
CATT, Walter Forlin Head Married
32 years M 61 1850 Grocer And Pension Merchants Wine Merchant Chatham Kent
CATT, Julia Wife Married F 53 1858 Wife Rettendon Essex
CATT, Ethel Daughter Single F 28 1883 Daughter Chelmsford Essex
CATT, Helen Daughter Single F 25 1886 Daughter Chelmsford Essex
CATT, Walter Ralph Son Single M 27 1884 Grocer And C Chelmsford Essex
WARREN, Francis Jessie Servant Single F 25 1886 Domestic Servant General Bradwell on Sea Essex

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10047 Reference:
RG14PN10047 RG78PN529 RD194 SD2 ED2 SN47

Registration District:
Chelmsford Sub District:
Chelmsford Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Chelmsford

Address:
6 Tindal Sqr Chelmsford County:
Essex

Hi Ginny,
Many thanks for all that info.
Thomas's first wife was Bertha Harvey - she had a child Maud Emily Judge in 1885. Since Emily was in the US and she had Thomas's child Letitia in 1886 (possibly 1888) I assume he must have gone there maybe to visit his father's grave and met up with Emily. He came back because Bertha had another child Cecil Stanley Judge b.Jun Q 1890.
Meanwhile Emily had married Hans Johnson in Manhattan on 15 March 1891.
Bertha died in 1892 and Emily came to Liverpool where Thomas met her and married her - Thomas William Judge to Emily Johnson Jun Q 1893 Liverpool 8b 63 - actual date 9 June 1893.
I think Emily's mother Mrs. Letitia Dunn came with her and possibly daughter Letitia (I don't have the passenger details NY to Liverpool) but Mrs. Letitia Dunn arrived in NY from Liverpool on the Teutonic 15 November 1894.
I would be most grateful if you can fill any more gaps! Passenger list details etc.
Thanks again
Barry

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Emily Judge
Name: Emily Judge
Probate Date: 7 Oct 1927
Death Date: 25 Aug 1927
Death Place: Chelmsford, Essex, England
Registry: London

To Sidney James Ballard, solicitors clerk £925 8s 4d


New York City Deaths, 1892-1902
about Letitia Dunn
Name: Letitia Dunn
Birth Date: abt 1840
Age: 55
Death Date: 21 Oct 1895
Death Place: New York, New York
Certificate Number: 36284



Im a bit lost as to what bits of info that you want so you'll have to be specific and I'll search for you?

I dont suppose this is Letitia Dunn?

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Laetitia Juge
Name: Laetitia Juge
Birth Date: abt 1840
Age: 51
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 10 Oct 1891
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Etruria
Search Ship Database: View the 'Etruria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: No owner or agent listed
Official Number: 91187

Travelling with: Henrietta and John A Judge

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 16

Month: May

Year: 1894

Forenames: Cecil Stanley

Surname: JUDGE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Thomas William

Fathers occupation: licensed victualler

Mother forenames: Emily

Birth Day: 10

Birth Month: May

Birth Year: 1890

Abode: of 76 Tenison Rd

Place: Cambridge, St Barnabas
Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 16

Month: May

Year: 1894

Forenames: Maud Emily

Surname: JUDGE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Thomas William

Fathers occupation: licensed victualler

Mother forenames: Emily

Birth Day: 26

Birth Month: Feb

Birth Year: 1885

Abode: of 76 Tenison Rd

Place: Cambridge, St Barnabas

County: Cambridgeshire,England

County: Cambridgeshire,England


(just adding for your notes!, ignore if you have them, four at same time)

Chris :)


Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 16

Month: May

Year: 1894

Forenames: Arthur Harvey

Surname: JUDGE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Thomas William

Fathers occupation: licensed victualler

Mother forenames: Emily

Birth Day: 14

Birth Month: Jun

Birth Year: 1892

Abode: of 76 Tenison Rd

Place: Cambridge, St Barnabas

County: Cambridgeshire,England




Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 16

Month: May

Year: 1894

Forenames: Frank Harold

Surname: JUDGE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Thomas William

Fathers occupation: licensed victualler

Mother forenames: Emily

Birth Day: 10

Birth Month: Sep

Birth Year: 1894

Abode: of 76 Tenison Rd

Place: Cambridge, St Barnabas

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 15


Month: Apr

Year: 1896

Forenames: Walter Dunn

Surname: JUDGE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Thomas William

Fathers occupation: licensed victualler

Mother forenames: Emily

Birth Day: 24

Birth Month: Mar

Birth Year: 1896

Abode: of The Salisbury Tenison Rd

Place: Cambridge, St Barnabas

County: Cambridgeshire,England


Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 31

Month: Mar

Year: 1897

Forenames: Annie

Surname: JUDGE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Thomas William

Fathers occupation: publican

Mother forenames: Emily

Birth Day: 2

Birth Month: Mar

Birth Year: 1897

Abode: of 19 East Road

Place: Cambridge, St Barnabas

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Thanks Ginny,
Laetitia Juge on the Etruria in 1891 could have been Letitia Dunn. The John A Judge could be John Albert b. 1879 Deal Kent. However I don't have a Henrietta.
Sorry I was a bit vague about what I wanted look ups for. The Dunn's and Judge's seem to have travelled back and forth across the Atlantic.
Could you have a look please for Emily travelling from USA to England prior to her marriage to Thomas 9 June 1893. She could have travelled as Johnson, Dunn or even Dunn Judge. Could you also see who was travelling with her.
There is a possibility she had been in England and gone back as I suspect Maud Emily Judge b.26 Feb 1885 in Bootle Lancs was hers and not Bertha's. She must have been in the US in between as she married Hans Johnson on 15 March 1891 - I wonder what happened to him!
Thanks again
Barry

Hi Chris,
Many thanks for the baptisms which also gave me the birth dates which I didn't have.
I thought at first it cleared up which children were Bertha's and which were Emily's, but then on the 1891 census Bertha is still with Thomas and Maud and Cecil are also there. I had thought at least Maud could have been Emily's.
Could you have a look for baptisms of Thomas and Bertha's other children please:
Stephen Henry b. 1.08.1875 Notting Hill
Thomas W b. 21.01.1877 Notting Hill
John Albert b. Mar Q 1879 Deal Kent
Percy Alfred b. Dec Q 1880 Dover Kent, died 1884 Essex
Thanks again
Barry

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Bertha Anne Elizabeth Judge
Name: Bertha Anne Elizabeth Judge
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1875
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1875
Father's name: Thomas William Judge
Mother's name: Bertha Judge
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill St Clement
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Stephen Henry Judge
Name: Stephen Henry Judge
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1875
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1875
Father's name: Thomas William Judge
Mother's name: Bertha Judge
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill St Clement
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas William Judge
Name: Thomas William Judge
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877
Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1877
Father's name: Thomas Judge
Mother's name: Bertha Judge
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill St Clement
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John Albert Judge
Name: John Albert Judge
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Registration district: Eastry
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 933

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Percy Alfred Judge
Name: Percy Alfred Judge
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1880
Registration district: Dover
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 905

You need the birth certificates for the last two to identify the parents as they do not come under the London baptisms

Sorry Baz, can only do same as Ginny, some Kent Baptisms are on FMP, but not yours, lol.

Another time, can send children of Stephen Henry, Cambridge, don't want to overload you!.

Chris :)

Thanks Ginny and Chris,
I have Stephen Henry Judge marrying Clara Cook Jun Q 1900
Children:
Thomas Henry b. Jun Q 1901 Cherry Hinton
Alice Maud b. Jun Q 1902 Cherry Hinton
Arthur Harvey b. Dec Q 1903 Cherry Hinton
Barry