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Ha ha ha!

I know, you are fantastic too Janey!

BUT she got me a photo and I was VERY excited about that.

Don't think I have any rich people in my family, but hey hoe, who knows!

Mucho lurve

Debi x

Hi all,

Well Janey, it doesn't really matter who found who first - It is 'teamwork' which brought about this excellent result :D

I am SO pleased for you Debi and yes, do please let us know how your meeting goes. Also, how the name 'Pullen' came into it all, I am really curious about that and I am sure 'our janey', and the others are too !

Best of luck,

Dea x

I found the below information on another tree, so I copied and pasted it here for interest...


Bertha was born in June 1871 in the Union Workhouse in Stanley Wakefield. It was a mystery to me why her family had to resort to living in the workhouse as ten prior to this they are living in Leeds and her father Francis John Greaves is working as a whitesmith. Ten years after the birth of Bertha her  mother Sarah Jane Harrold Greaves is recorded as the head of the family living back in Leeds. I later discovered the death cerifitcate for Francis John Greaves. He died age 33 in Infirmary in Leeds from a Brain Tumor this was in the first quarter of 1872. I can only assume the family had to go into the workhouse due to Francis's illhealth. In 1871 April of that year when the Census was taken Sarah Jane is recorded living with her young son called William age 3. They are living alone again perhaps Francis Greaves her husband was in the hospital and she had no choice in June that year to go to the workhouse to give birth to Bertha.
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Remember it's also possible that Bertha was born in the workhouse infirmary, and Sarah wasn't actually living there.

You've found Francis as a patient in 1871 so that clears up a bit of it!

By the way, if he died of a brain tumour in early 1872 ... well, I was going to say he wasn't likely in hospital when Bertha was conceived in mid-late 1870, given the usual progress of brain tumours, but he was in hospital nearly a year that we know of, census 1871-early 1872, so one never knows.

Mmm...somebody else mentioned that. Think I need to dig them all up for DNA tests or have a time machine!

Debi.x

Also, I have been emailed a copy of Bertha's and John's marriage certificate and Bertha's father was called Francis Greaves Pullan. Must trace this back further to see if that double barrel name continues.

Night all

Debi.x

Oh dear, I read your story on facebook on the GR page and I'm sad you didn't put the rest of us on the "team" with our name in lights. :O ... there isn't a "sad" face in these stupidicons.


Debi ... Bertha made up "Francis Greaves Pullan". She did that because she was using the name Pullan and she needed a father to match. Francis has no connection at all with the Pullan surname.

My (in)famous gr-grfather called his father Francis Monck on his marriage certificate. He did that because he himself was using the name Ernest Monck -- but his name was really Ernest Hill. He couldn't put Ernest Monck father Francis Hill (real father) on his marriage certificate (at least if he wanted to maintain his fake identity, which he did because he'd deserted from the military).

Bertha was calling herself Pullan even though she apparently knew quite well that her name was Greaves and her father, at least on her birth cetificate, was Greaves. So she called herself Greaves Pullan and called him the same thing.

There are thousands of similar examples. Wilks/Gaunt is along the same lines, remember?

Pullan comes into Fanny's life somewhere, and the options seem to be
- Pullan was her real father
- Pullan was her stepfather

Sadly, DNA won't help you -- paternal DNA can only be matched in the male line, son-father-grandfather and so on back. Bertha was a girl so the chain to her male ancestors is broken right there. Dang evolution, eh?

In case Bertha had a real father / stepfather named Pullan who wasn't with the family in 1881 because he had died, here are the possibles -- died in Leeds 1870-1881, of about the right age:

(editing to add details as I search around)

Deaths Jun 1871
Pullan James 50 Leeds 9b 309 (on the outside)
- in 1871 in West Leeds, brickmaker, wife Mary, children

Deaths Jun 1875
Pullan Joseph 38 Leeds 9b 28[14]
- in 1871 in North Leeds, unmarried, tailor - unlikely because of location?

Deaths Sep 1877
PULLAN Charles 35 Leeds 9b 263

Deaths Dec 1878
PULLAN William Edmund 38 Leeds 9b 369
- also in North Leeds, married to Emma, labourer in iron works, dau aged 1


You could try looking into them in 1871 to see whether they're nearby, what their status is ...

Of course, it's also possible (maybe more so) that Pullan was a stepfather whom Sarah partnered with after 1881.

JANEY! You are a sensitive soul!

There is an earlier status on the GENES FB page from me, telling everybody how fab the 'board people' are. So, of course you were included in that. I personally thanked Dea because I added the photo of Bertha to the page and that was down to her. I did generalize down the thread when someone asked and I used the word 'THEY'. I am very grateful for all your support and everybody else's on here. <3

Anyway, I went on the other persons tree to have a look at the Greaves/Pullan thing...now, I havent checked this out yet but they have;

#Francis Jonathon/John Greaves Pullan 1838-1892

They have his parents as;

# William Greaves Pullan 1809 and Rebecca Greaves Pullan 1812

So, another teaser...

<3 Debi. x

Sigh, I think I'll go to the garden to eat worms.

Actually, I'm going to the kitchen to microwave a cornmeal & chili pizza. But first ...


1851 as on page 2

William Greaves 42
Rebecca Greaves 39
Elizabeth Greaves 18
Thomas Greaves 17
Francis Greaves 14
Jane Greaves 11
Edward Greaves 4
Sarah A Greaves 1
Rebecca Greaves 1 MO


Forgive my blunt assessment, but whoever is calling Francis's parents "Greaves Pullan" is just another of the Ancestry morons who put junk in their trees.

There isn't the slightest evidence that the name Pullan was associated *in any way* with the name Greaves.

Does that tree owner have any supporting documentation for that entry?

I'll stake my lunch on the answer: nope.

Don't be trying to collect on that ... I'm eating it now ... 4, 3, 2, 1 ...

Looks like human error, I'm not adding their information, I always check out info given...even yours! LOL! Sorry just winding you up!

I have removed the dots, I wondered what had happened!

Check out facebook!

<3
Debi,x

When you put a long unbroken line of unbreakable text, e.g. no "/" or "-" in it, the system just continues it as long as it will go, without wrapping it to the next line. ... No, the temptation is strong, but I shall not experiment ...

Awwww, my name in lights.

You shouldn't've.

:D :D :D

I fear FBG may get her nose out of joint now ...

I have not actually offered any help on here have I,just annoyance?Didnt want to step on your toes did I ?

Well Sweetpea you worked hard and long on making sure you got your name in lights this time and it took some time so what went wrong???

I have been working "behind the scenes"recently and not courting the bright lights as you have;

Me?Get my nose out of joint?A horse did that for me years ago,have you never noticed when peering at my profile pic on FB......Awww forgot,my "real"profile pic is pre the horse kick in the boat race... :D

But when my new granddaughter is here (arrives for sure on Friday if not here before)and I am back from playing Granny next week BEWARE,,!

Hmmmmm.Off to dig up a few threads where I had to show you the way and sit and gloat to myself..:)

JANEY sensitive......????Now I have heard it all..! :P

FBG, we all know it was a COW you fell off in your youth.

How did that go ... 2 cow, 4 horse ... I'm still snorking about that one.

Sigh.....Yes Sweetpea it WAS a cow I fell off aged 8 and broke my left wrist so badly that the bones poked through,well us poor hill farmers daughters had to make do you know? BUT it knocked my teeth straight at the same time so no brace needed...Phew... AND I got the real thing(horse)age 10 after much pestering of parents...

It was being knocked off a HORSE when another bumped me and the HORSE(at speed during a race)that lost me my front teeth ,broke my right wrist and put my nose out of joint some years later,when I was 21 to be exact :P

Janey and Fanny STOP IT or its the naughty step for you both!

I'm sure you two are best friends in the 'real' world and meet up for coffee n cakes...

<3

Certainly NOT Debi......I would not spend the flight money to meet HER.....

I am a bred but not born West Wales Woman and she is a Canuck in Canuckstan and long may she stay there.. :D

Cakes! Please!




Debi eating all the cakes

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Hmmmmm, wonder if dear Janey pointed our Debi toward Fans great Morris/Florence find that ..cough..."someone" was struggling with??????



Just to prove that Fans can "find em"as well as "annoy em" :D