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Thank you to all who tried to help with this.

Ive had a look and nothing is showing for a baptisim

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Gordon Simmonds
Name: Gordon Simmonds
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894
Baptism Date: 11 Jul 1894
Father's Name: Frederick William Simmonds CHINA MERCHANT
Mother's Name: Emma Simmonds
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tottenham
Borough: Haringey Address; 162 Church Road

Also baptised at the same time;

Frederick Arthur - Emma May

Now Im sorry to take you back to the start but I cant work out who May Brian is? Who were her parents please....sorry if Ive missed anything ;)

Thanks Ginny.

M

Hi Marion

Can you tell me more about May Brian please, her parents siblings and birth

I cant work out where you have got her from..am I being thick!

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Ginny, I think Marion only has May on a child's birth cert as far as I can see. Father of child is George Simmonds, Marion's grandfather. No marriage has been found.

Not sure we ever found a death for May?

Jan

Was this one of the children marion?

Births Dec 1918 (98%)
Simmonds Gordon W Brian Croydon 2a 422

Ive been looking for May Biran?

Im still being thick!

One problem is the name has varied as you might expect. Ginny, you aren't being thick - don't know about you but I find it hard to get a handle on well-established threads like this.

Anyway, basically we have 2 sons of George Simmonds, Marion's father and uncle. Their mother is May Brian/Bryan. Family story has it that May's mother was Irish. And that is it.

This is the basis on which we have the 1911. With hindsight, I should have asked for death details for May if Marion has them, because there is no birth year for her as yet.

I am the thick one I think!

Jan

Jan & Ginny

To recap as there is confusion over names now ,with thread being so long

My Father was Gordon William Simmonds b27/11/1918 Croydon, Surrey
His Father was Gordon (no middle name - I have birth cert) b17/9/1890 Tottenham
His Father was Frederick William Simmonds b3/3/1849 Tottenham

Gordon William's Mother is named as May Simmonds formerly BRIAN on birth cert
but on his brother Ronald H's born 1923 she is listed as BRYAN

I cannot trace a marriage to Gordon (or May's birth) although I think I have her on the census 1911 aged 21 with her Mother Kathleen aged 60
Kathleen was or Irish origin Co Tyrone (anecdotal - no proof but looks probable) and May was from Middlesex

Gordon is single when discharged during WW1 August 1916
I know nothing of siblings or any other info.
Any suggestions (apart from go away!!) greatly appreciated.

Thank you
M

Do you know when/where either of them died?
Jan

Yes Jan I have the same problem with coming in on a thread.

OK so May Brian/Bryan could have been born in Ireland?

Can you post Mays death details if you have them please

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Bryan or Bryant?

Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Simmonds Ronald H Bryant Croydon 2a 498

Possible deaths?

Name: May Simmonds
Death Registration Month/Year: 1955
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 165

Name: May L Simmonds
Death Registration Month/Year: 1960
Age at death (estimated): 66
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 58

Name: Jessica May Simmonds
Birth Date: 16 May 1904
Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 1992
Age at death (estimated): 88
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: London, Surrey
Volume: 11
Page: 1484

Ginny, it's May's mother who is believed to have been born in Co. Tyrone, and May in Middlesex, so the 1911 does look a possibility.
Jan.

May Simmonds died in Croydon

Sorry finger slipped!

May Simmonds died in Croydon, Surrey 1965 aged 75 which fits with year of birth 1890
Gordon died Croydon 1961 aged 70
Don't know how much value there is to getting these certs. What do you think?
And yes, you;re right it's Bryant on Ronald's birth cert

Probably not, though sometimes certs can be surprisingly informative.

The 1911 does look very likely but sadly gets us back to where we started! My only other suggestion is to search any addresses you have on electoral register as suggested before, in case they throw up any other possibilities.

What a very difficult woman.

Jan

Are you referring to me or May!

Yes, July/Aug/Sep 1961 Croydon Surrey for Gordon Simmonds death. Pretty sure that's him.

Both!!!

Off to catch a train down to London now and wont be back until 9.30-10pmish.
Many thanks
M