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even more tangled Choccy and Maureen

Hard to untangle-I suspected Laura was not her name or that she was illegitimate

It gets worse,I think.

Would this be Elizabeth in 1851??
Name: Elizabeth Poll
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Pentney, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Pentney
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration district: Hillington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Household schedule number: 82
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Pole 54
Mary Poll 49
William Poll 25
James Poll 9
Elizabeth Poll 4
Eliza Poll 2
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1828; Folio: 327; Page: 24

Or am I getting lost??

Maureen

1871 England Census
about Mary Poll Name: Mary Poll
Age: 71
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Stephen Poll
Gender: Female
Where born: Beatley, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Pentney
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration district: Gayton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Poll 75
Mary Poll 71
Philp Curle 17

There is a Laura Georgina ELMER b 1867 to William 44 & Jane 29 1871 census Norfolk with 1881 census Laura 14 and Amy 1.Was she illegit & adopted?

1861 census - household transcription
Person: POLL, Mary
Address: Swan River Rest, Dales Green, Pentney
POLL, Stephen Head M 63 1798 Agricultural Labourer
Rubery Norfolk
POLL, Mary Wife F 58 1803
Gressingham Norfolk
POLL, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 11 1850
Norfolk Gayton Union

1871 census - household transcription
Person: POLL, Mary
Address: Chapel Yard, Pentney
POLL, Stephen Head M 75 1796 Norfolk
POLL, Mary Wife F 71 1800 Norfolk
CURLE, Philp Visitor M 17 1854 Norfolk

one more for the pot

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Laura Mary G Boughton Name: Laura Mary G Boughton
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Thetford
County: Norfolk, Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 391 (click to see others on page)

This looks like Phillip who was visiting Stephen and Mary.
Interesting as he has also moved to W Ham

1881 census - household transcription
Person: CURLE, Philip H
Address: 15, King St, West Ham
CURLE, Philip H Head Married M 27 1854 Gen Lab
Kings Lynn
Norfolk
M CURLE, Louisa Wife Married F 28 1853 Gen Shopkeeper
Bromley
Middlesex
M CURLE, Louisa Daughter Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Canning Town
Essex
CURLE, Alice Grace Daughter Single F 1 1880
Canning Town
Essex


but do not ask mewho he relates too.

I feel quite dizzy.

Whew! they ALL moved to West ham & lived in Wightman St. Laura's grandson can shed no light on her background either. Mary

Sorry,I had to turn the computer off for a while. We kept getting power hits here.

It might be interesting to get the birth cert for Stephen Henry Curl(e),as he seems to be Amy Poll/Curle/Morgan's son. I'd love to see the father's name to determine just how Amy got to be a Curle. (or thinks she did!).

Tough one,Mary!!

Maureen
(who also feels quite dizzy!)

could you please clarify

you said in your opening post Laura and Lydia had a joint wedding and Laura said Lydia was her cousin
Did you actually mean Walter or was Lydia a cousin too?

Apparently Laura claimed Lydia was a cousin.(according to her grandson, ) I think they may have become friends in London & then she married Walter who may have been a relation to Laura.That puts Laura in london before 1886 where she met Thomas Williams.. Doesn't really help.....?Mary

Mary,I think you may have been on to something in that post where you pointed out William and Jane Elmer and daughters.
Births Sep 1879
Curl Amy Jane E W. Ham 4a 75
is this the Amy Elmer on the 1881-with the E standing for Elmer??
I certainly don't see a likely marriage for William and Jane.
Long time between children,too...

I think I'll go do some Christmas cards-that's much less taxing on the brain.

Maureen

Also,that birth that Choccy found is looking more and more tempting,

Maureen

lydia before her marriage

1881 census - household transcription
Person: PRIOR, Lydia H
Address: 8, Cato Place, Roman Rd, East Ham
PRIOR, Joseph Head Married M 47 1834 Labourer
Poplarad Essex
PRIOR, Mary A Wife Married F 47 1834
Woolwich Kent
PRIOR, Edwin W Son Single M 25 1856 Labourer
Birchanger Essex
PRIOR, Lydia H Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Plaistow Essex
PRIOR, Frederick J Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Plaistow Essex
PRIOR, Agnes E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Plaistow

1871 census - household transcription
Person: PRIOR, Lydia H
Address: Charles Street, West Ham
PRIOR, Joseph Head M 37 1834 Essex
PRIOR, Edwin W Son M 15 1856 Essex
PRIOR, Lucy A Daughter F 9 1862 Essex
PRIOR, Mary Daughter F 6 1865 Essex
PRIOR, Lydia H Daughter F 2 1869 Essex
SNOW, Mary A Niece F 14 1857 Essex

Lydia's mother was not Mary Ann

1861 census - household transcription
Person: PRIOR, Joseph
Address: 12, Webb Street, Westham, Plaistow
PRIOR, Joseph Head Married M 27 1834 Brick Maker
Hamstead
Essex
PRIOR, Lydia Wife Married F 27 1834
Elsenham
Essex
PRIOR, Edwin Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Birchanger
Essex

Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
Prior Joseph B Stortford 3a 197
Snow Lydia B Stortford 3a 197

My thinking about the Laura G C Rumbelow birth I posted was that Laura was possibly illegitimate and born to mother Rumbelow, who chose to call her daughter Laura Georgina Curle Rumbelow - just a thought - but I can't find Laura Rumbelow on any census, or Laura 'anybody' !! I also haven't found a death or marriage for Laura Rumbelow.


I did wonder about this -


1881

KIDD, Walter A Head Single M 28 1853 Physician M.D.M.
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
CLEUSEBILL, Gordon S Nephew Single M 2 1879
Burma VIEW
SEALEY, Eliza I Servant Single F 46 1835 House Keeper
Ireland VIEW
>>>>>CURL, Lottie Servant Single F 15 1866 Housemaid
Norfolk VIEW
ELSWORTH, Blanche Servant Single F 22 1859 Nurse
Dorset VIEW

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