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ADA WARD ROBERTSON Pedigree
Female

Birth: 21 JUL 1870 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH ROBERTSON Family
Mother: ELLEN ELIZABETH WATERS

Well it's not your Joseph in the 1867 shipwreck

1891
Name: Ellen Robertson
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Registration Number: 644/13
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 10 St Andrews Rd
ED: 48
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_296
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Robertson 55
Alexander Robertson 30
Joseph Robertson 24
Minnie Robertson 22
Ada Robertson 20

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Joseph Cochrane Pedigree
Male

25 APR 1841 St John The Baptist, Chester, Cheshire, England
Joseph Cochrane Family
Mother: Jane

Potty /Ellen
Thanks for all this shall have to order copy from GRO ..have received a copy 1881LDS for 26 Airlie Terrace,Govan ,Lanark which shows Ellen Married age 46 Occupation:Housekeeper +5 children ..1901 lEllen was living at181 St.Andrews Road,Pollockshields,Glasgow age 64,Annuitant with unmarried daughter Minnie Emma Robertson age 32 so Ada,Joseph& Robert could have married...Someone has suggested trying The Mitchell Library ,Glasgow
Regards
Graham

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Hi Graham,Have you looked at the Census found on Scotlandspeople to find when she first said she was a widow.
If that does not help find Joseph's death details ,Then the Mitchell Library would do a search for Helen's burial.You could ask if it was possible to find out the details of who else is buried in the same lair.If they can't do it , then Glasgow Cemetries Department could tell you who else is buried there .Gamble is that it was not a new lair for Helen.

Ellen

Hi Graham ,have you traced the Cochranes deaths on Scotlandspeople to make sure there mother was not a Robertson?

Ellen

1901
Name: Ellen E Robertson
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/13
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Pollockshields
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 181 St Andrews Rd
Occupation: Annuitant
ED: 35
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_319
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen E Robertson 64
Minnie E Robertson 32

That's the first census on Ancestry that has her means on it.Did Joseph die 1891-1901 or is it a pension.

1871
Name: Joseph Cochrane
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Cochrane
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Maxwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 118 Ardgowan St
Occupation: Civil Engineer
ED: 91
Household schedule number: 110
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_140
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cochrane 48
Jane Cochrane 50
William Cochrane 14
Jane Cochrane 11

1881 Census
Cochrane's not found.

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MINNIE EMMA ROBERTSON Pedigree
Female

13 FEB 1869 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JOSEPH ROBERTSON Family
Mother: ELLEN ELIZABETH WATERS

Ellen
Thanks for all this confirm Scotspeople search on 1901 Census shows Ellen as widow ..death searches on Cochranes didn't reveal any connection with Robertson as a parent so can only conclude that Joseph died somewhere between 1891-1901 am placing a request with Mitchell Library for any info on Joseph/Alexander, as you suggest... this is all becoming a bit of an epic !
Regards
Graham

Graham, given that Ellen died in Tradeston, then the most likely cemetery would be Craigton Cemetery which was privately owned and until just a very few years ago the records were held by a Glasgow lawyers office. They have now been passed to the City Council. The Mitchell library, as far as I remember doesn't have any records for it. (My Great Grandparents and some of their family are buried there and they too came from Tradeston). If you contact, by letter, Glasgow City Council, Bereavement Services, 20 Trongate, Glasgow giving them all the details from Ellen's death registration they will try to help you. There may be a small charge for this and it may take about 6 weeks because, as you will understand, their first priority is current burials and cremations. Ask, in your letter, for a lair number and other burials in the same lair. Please be aware though that it was not uncommon for people to be buried in a communal lair if they had insufficient funds to buy a private lair.

Good Luck.

Graham, googled Master Mariners 1860 and this was one of the hits:
http://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/70919-Might-be-of-use-Master-mariners-1860

The link takes you to a list of Mates and Captains. It show that a Joseph Robertson was issued with his Mates certificate in 1857 in London. He is on page 113 of the book. There are three Alexanders listed as well, all getting their certs earlier that Joseph.

Thanks again for all your info & suggestions spoke to helpful lady @ Michell Library this am and will be sending email to t o them will do likewise with Glasgow City Council
Regards
Graham

Potty this looks most interesting!!! thanks a lot tried to get onto this one but pc playing me up so will try again later
Regards
Graham

Hi Potty
Could not find the link but have joined familytreeforum site and posted request for Joseph/Alexander info.. so far one reply suggesting Scotspeople which have been using for ages! pc is still a bit iffy or is it just me??
Regards Graham

Graham,

Try this link for the Master Mariners List:

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PT64&id=0ekNAAAAQAAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false

It is a book in PDF form. On the left of the screen is a box with "search this book" in it. Type in Robertson and then scroll down to p113 - Joseph is there.

Hi Potty

Tried this but failed to get it....familyforum have come up with fact that Alexander died at sea Nov 12 1861 his widow was Helen Stewart Robertson 5 Brunswick Terrace,Commercial Road,County of Middlesex I looked at Census 1861 32 St James Square,Westminister and found a Helen Robertson age 58 Head Fundholder born Aberdeen ..presume this to be the same person.
Regards
Graham

Not sure if the Helen you found in 1861 is the right one - she is shown as unmarried.

Potty,
Thanks for this but could the unmarried entry be an error?

It would help if Helen Stewart's maiden name was known and the ages of both Alexander & Helen in1861(together with place of birth of each) could be found as this would enable me to trace Joseph's birth details through their marriage records.
Regards
Graham