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D/DKw/O9/5

Repository: Essex Record Office
Level: Category Estate and Family records
Level: Fonds TURNOUR FAMILY; HALLINGBURY AND PARNDON ESTATES
Level: Sub-Fonds OFFICIAL
Level: Series Papers of Sir Edward Turnour in his capacity as justice of the peace

Level:
Item
Reference Code D/DKw/O9/5
Dates of Creation 1711
Extent 1
Scope and Content Information of John Fish of Great Hallingbury, labourer, relating to theft of sheep
[See D/DKw O9/2]

Date From 1711
Date To 1711

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/result_details.asp?DocID=128433

woohoo...looks good...or does it LOL

Another bit for you...

John Fish
Married: 13 Oct 1676, Great Dunmow, Essex
Buried: 25 Jul 1715, Great Hallingbury, Essex

Marriage Information:

John married Ellen Bowtell on 13 Oct 1676 in Great Dunmow, Essex. (Ellen Bowtell was christened on 6 Jul 1660 in Thaxted, Essex and was buried on 1 Jul 1719 in Great Hallingbury, Essex.)

I'm not sure we had a marriage date before?



Tracey x

John & Ellens children

John Fish
Christened: 2 Feb 1682, Great Hallingbury, Essex

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Richard Fish
Christened: 16 Jul 1684, Great Hallingbury, Essex
Buried: 20 Nov 1756, Little Hallingbury, Essex

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Joseph Fish
Christened: 9 Jun 1690, Great Hallingbury, Essex
Married: 24 Nov 1723, Much Hadham, Hertfordshire
Died: 7 Mar 1746, Much Hadham, Hertfordshire

Marriage Information:

Joseph married Ann Eggleston, daughter of John Eggleston and Ann Farman, on 24 Nov 1723 in Much Hadham, Hertfordshire. (Ann Eggleston was christened on 11 Mar 1702 in Much Hadham, Hertfordshire.)

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George Fish
Christened: 15 Feb 1700, Great Hallingbury, Essex
Buried: 1702, Great Hallingbury, Essex

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Wife's details.

Ellen Bowtell
Christened: 6 Jul 1660, Thaxted, Essex
Married: 13 Oct 1676, Great Dunmow, Essex
Buried: 1 Jul 1719, Great Hallingbury, Essex

Scource...
http://www.btinternet.com/~biggestbird/Tree/1917.htm


Tracey x

I am going to do a search for John's baptism, hopefully it will be recorded and his parents names there..will be back soon

No John Fish baptised 1660, but not to say he was from a different parish.
Isn't it just amazing to read the actual handwriting from 350 years ago??? The spelling is marvellous..especially December as Dofombor, and the mix of S and F such as Sufan (Susan).

They married in Great Dunmow, is it possible he was born there instead?

You tended to find people said they were from a village instead of where they were actually from to avoid the costs of posting the Banns.

I know what you mean about the handwriting.... if you get a good one your fine, but then if you get a dodgy one you can spend all day and get nothing done!!

And the dates all dissapear, it's lent and passover etc, using the biblical calendar!

Also, depending on which year you go back to, the years started in April! So december 1650 is followed by March 1650! Grrrr


Tracey x

Oh really?? Oh dear, I have no idea about ancient writing and dates, so this could be very interesting.
OK, off to search Great Dunmow........

I'd have to check one of my magazines to see when the dates changes to the way we know them now.


T x

I knew i wasn't far off...

In England, January 1 was celebrated as the New Year festival, but from the 12th century to 1752 the year in England began on March 25 (Lady Day). So, for example, the Parliamentary record records the execution of Charles I occurring in 1648 (as the year did not end until March 24), although modern histories adjust the start of the year to January 1 and record the execution as occurring in 1649.

I found the entry for the marriage...if I hadn't seen the Bowtell, I would have missed it.
John (obscured) Fifh married Ellen (partial obscured) Bowtell, (presume March as in the March section) 13th 1667.
However, no baptism record for John at that parish.

24 August 1660 -- Petition of John Fish, Doctor in Divinity; petitioner having shown in a petition that he was lawfully entitled to the rectory of Hallingbury Parva, Essex.

Doctor in Divinity??? And we think today's 'preachers' come up with some titles!!! LOL


31 March 1626 -- Draft order of the committee for relief of the poor infected with the plague for an account of the disbursement of certain sums received by the Lord Mayor and Mr Alderman Gore.
Annexed:
1 The brief account of Cornelius Fish, Chamberlain of the City of London, for money by him received and disbursed for the relief and comfort of poor people lately visited with the infection of the plague.

AHHH, as I suspected...indeed a man of importance...

Hmmmm, indeed. Wonder then if he appeared in the Times or the London Gazette?

I shall check the Timesonline as it's a subs base site, but the Gazette is free to search!



Tracey x

Want to PM me your email address??


Tracey x

Wendy

A bit more for you...

UK, Extracted Probate Records
about Fish, Cornelius, Esquire
Text: 1626 Fish, Cornelius, esquire, Chamberlaine of London, St. Mary Woolchurch 113 Hele
Book: 1620 to 1629.
Collection: England: Canterbury - Wills Proved in The Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1620-1629


Tracey x

UK, Extracted Probate Records
about Fish, Thomas
Text: Fish, Thomas, widr., St. Martins in the feilds, Mdx. 1653-4 3 129
Book: Index of Acts of Administration in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury 1649-1654 (Acts of Administration)
Collection: England: Canterbury - Administrations in The Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1649-1654

UK, Extracted Probate Records
about Fish, Richard
Text: Fish, Richard, Bow Brickhill, Bucks. 1656 47
Book: Index to Acts of Administration in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury 1655-1660 (Acts of Administration)
Collection: England: Canterbury - Administrations in The Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1655-1660 (A-F)

For some reason, the probate section of the national archives just refuses to load. Can see everything else, just not wills.

Tracey, are you able to look at Cornelius' will?
I don't know if it's me or the site.
I am hoping there are references to family members there.

I'll see what i can do...

T x

oooooo, i cannot get the site to open at all..... maybe they are doing some updates?



T x