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There are two families: - from LDS IGI

Father: Philip Mansfield
Mother: Elizabeth Poulton

Much Hadham Hertford UK

Children:
Thomas Mansfield b. 1761
Elisabeth b. 1762
Sarah b. 1765
William b. 1768
Mary b. 1771
Susan b. 1775


Second family.

Father: William Mansfield
Mother: Alice

All children christened Sutton Cambridgeshire

Ann 1757
Mary 1761
Elisabeth 1762
Robert 1763
William 1764
Alice 1767
Susanna 1767

The name similarities between the two families is astonishing.

The third Elisabeth Mansfield born in 1762 in Bexley Kent has father John Mansfield and Mother Lucy.

If any of these Elisabeth Mansfield's were correct she would have been 41 years old when married to Thomas Summerton in 1803.

Is there a connection between these families and our Elisabeth Mansfield who we believe was born later than 1762.

Does this information discount a connection.

Now we come to Daniel Mansfield.
He is in the equation because he was a witness at the marriage between Thomas Summerton and Elizabeth Mansfield, Hackney 1803.

The search I have done is pointless with regard to Daniel. For him to be a witness at a wedding in 1803 he would have had to be born in 1782 or earlier. If he was Elisabeth’s father he would have to have been born anywhere between 1742 and 1769, depending on which Elisabeth is correct.

So a Daniel born between 1796 and 1804 is a waste of time.

Further to that. Looking at the names of the fathers for Elizabeth Mansfield – not one is called Daniel. Therefore I wonder if he was her brother.

There are two marriages for Daniel Mansfield. DM to Margaret Perfect, 22 Aug 1814 St Saviour Southwark Surrey.

DM to Elizabeth Gordon , 24 Nov 1817, St Mary, Newington, Surrey.

Either of these Daniels could be the witness to the marriage between Thomas S. and Elisabeth M in 1803. Providing of course he was in his 30s when he himself married.

Not going with uncle or cousin. Will concede that he might have been her father and that we still have not found the right EM.

I have no idea how to prove any of this.

Edit: There is a Daniel Mansfield born Sep 1778 Heathe Oxford d. Jan 1843. Father Joseph, Mother Alice Gaydon. Joseph Mansfield married Alice on 5 Jan 1769 Denton Buckinghamshire


Spouse Elizabeth Boler. Children: Gaydon Mansfield b. May 1800 and John Mansfield b. Aug 1801. He would fit the age criteria for being a witness at a wedding in 1803.

Daniel Mansfield b. 1778 and Elisabeth Mansfield b. anywhere between 1762 and 1789.

Well this is interesting. Daniel Mansfield also married Mary Bolton 19 Jan 1804. Same name, date of birth, parents, place of birth. From LDS IGI.

Oh this might be a real guess but.... Take a look at the marriage between Thomas Summerton and Elisabeth Mansfield 1803, the London England Marriages and Banns 1754-1921. Look at the second witness. Her writing is not all that legible but it could be Mary Bulton (Bolton), Daniel Mansfield's bride to be in 1804. Is that close enough for a reasonable guess.

You are getting there Sherlock!

Yeah but!! I then assumed that first wife Elizabeth Boler would have died. Maybe in childbirth in 1801 following birth of John Mansfield. There is a death about then but the birth date is very very early so I don't think it's a match.

Does not seem possible that Daniel would have left first wife and then married again just three years later. Or is it. The date of his marriage to Elizabeth Boler was 1800, first child born 1800, second child born 1801, next marriage 1804.

I think that did happen a lot. If a man was left with young children he needed someone to look after them.