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I think that did happen a lot. If a man was left with young children he needed someone to look after them.

Yeah but!! I then assumed that first wife Elizabeth Boler would have died. Maybe in childbirth in 1801 following birth of John Mansfield. There is a death about then but the birth date is very very early so I don't think it's a match.

Does not seem possible that Daniel would have left first wife and then married again just three years later. Or is it. The date of his marriage to Elizabeth Boler was 1800, first child born 1800, second child born 1801, next marriage 1804.

You are getting there Sherlock!

Oh this might be a real guess but.... Take a look at the marriage between Thomas Summerton and Elisabeth Mansfield 1803, the London England Marriages and Banns 1754-1921. Look at the second witness. Her writing is not all that legible but it could be Mary Bulton (Bolton), Daniel Mansfield's bride to be in 1804. Is that close enough for a reasonable guess.

Well this is interesting. Daniel Mansfield also married Mary Bolton 19 Jan 1804. Same name, date of birth, parents, place of birth. From LDS IGI.

Now we come to Daniel Mansfield.
He is in the equation because he was a witness at the marriage between Thomas Summerton and Elizabeth Mansfield, Hackney 1803.

The search I have done is pointless with regard to Daniel. For him to be a witness at a wedding in 1803 he would have had to be born in 1782 or earlier. If he was Elisabeth’s father he would have to have been born anywhere between 1742 and 1769, depending on which Elisabeth is correct.

So a Daniel born between 1796 and 1804 is a waste of time.

Further to that. Looking at the names of the fathers for Elizabeth Mansfield – not one is called Daniel. Therefore I wonder if he was her brother.

There are two marriages for Daniel Mansfield. DM to Margaret Perfect, 22 Aug 1814 St Saviour Southwark Surrey.

DM to Elizabeth Gordon , 24 Nov 1817, St Mary, Newington, Surrey.

Either of these Daniels could be the witness to the marriage between Thomas S. and Elisabeth M in 1803. Providing of course he was in his 30s when he himself married.

Not going with uncle or cousin. Will concede that he might have been her father and that we still have not found the right EM.

I have no idea how to prove any of this.

Edit: There is a Daniel Mansfield born Sep 1778 Heathe Oxford d. Jan 1843. Father Joseph, Mother Alice Gaydon. Joseph Mansfield married Alice on 5 Jan 1769 Denton Buckinghamshire


Spouse Elizabeth Boler. Children: Gaydon Mansfield b. May 1800 and John Mansfield b. Aug 1801. He would fit the age criteria for being a witness at a wedding in 1803.

Daniel Mansfield b. 1778 and Elisabeth Mansfield b. anywhere between 1762 and 1789.

There are two families: - from LDS IGI

Father: Philip Mansfield
Mother: Elizabeth Poulton

Much Hadham Hertford UK

Children:
Thomas Mansfield b. 1761
Elisabeth b. 1762
Sarah b. 1765
William b. 1768
Mary b. 1771
Susan b. 1775


Second family.

Father: William Mansfield
Mother: Alice

All children christened Sutton Cambridgeshire

Ann 1757
Mary 1761
Elisabeth 1762
Robert 1763
William 1764
Alice 1767
Susanna 1767

The name similarities between the two families is astonishing.

The third Elisabeth Mansfield born in 1762 in Bexley Kent has father John Mansfield and Mother Lucy.

If any of these Elisabeth Mansfield's were correct she would have been 41 years old when married to Thomas Summerton in 1803.

Is there a connection between these families and our Elisabeth Mansfield who we believe was born later than 1762.

Does this information discount a connection.

I did as I said and analysed the information given on this thread. It is sorted and written into my book. I am discounting nothing although, I must admit, I did not pay lots of attention to the Gayton, Gaydon family name information, based on the place name. That will require further scrutiny, later on. Remember I am sorting given information not deciding which bits are correct.

So. Elizabeth Mansfield. There are four possibilities for birth. Chosing one of them will give her parent’s names. I am assuming because of the dates birth certificates will not be available to confirm parent’s names. Parish records??

EM. born 14 Sep 1766, St Mary, Stepney London
Father: Benjamin
Mother: Elizabeth.

EM. Born 19 May 1767, chr 25 May 1767, St Leonards Shoreditch
Father: James Mansfield
Mother: Elizabeth.

EM. Born 15 Mar 1770 chr 8 Apr 1770 St Leonards Shoreditch
Father: Edward
Mother: Sarah.

EM. Born 19 Jul 1789 chr 9 Aug 1789 St Luke Finsbury London
Father: William
Mother: Mary

Ezekiel you may wish to argue in favour of one of the entries. You have the prior knowledge.


I have just backtracked the next lot of information and came up with three more Elisabeth Mansfields.

1. ELISABETH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 12 SEP 1762 Much Hadham, Hertford, England

2. ELIZABETH - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 07 FEB 1762 Sutton, Cambridge, England

3. ELIZABETH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAY 1762 Bexley, Kent, England

The first two are the EMs from the next lot of Mansfield family information which follows.

you might find this useful


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=702290

Good morning.
You have been working so hard you lost my head some time ago.
I am at work today but I expect to find several pages of musings when I get back.

Sorry people. I need to do this the old fashioned way. There are 24 pages of data here. I am printing it off and compiling a tree from the information. Actually it will probably be a jolly forest. Bear with me until I have my head around what is there.

OK Distracted off task. Have found Father: William Mansfield, Mother Alice

Children all christened at Sutton Cambridgeshire, which is 50 miles from Much Hadham. Elisabeth, 1762, Mary 1761, Robert 1763, William 1764, Ann 1757, Alice 1767, Susanna 1767. The last two could be twins dog given same as chr dates.

Here is Thomas and Sarah in the 1841 census. Either age must have been changed. Brother and sister from IGI Phillip/Elisabeth family.

Name: Thomas Mansfield
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1763
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Stoke Newington
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Ward 36
Fanny Ward 32
James Ward 12
Maria Ward 10
Harriett Ward 7
George Ward 2
Thomas Mansfield 78
Sarah Mansfield 78

Hi and Greetings,

I am going to run the Much Hadham group of Mansfield families christenings through the New London Metro Archive Parish Records thingy and see what I can find.

Daniel Mansfield Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
SEP 1778 Heathe, , Oxford, England
Christening:
Death:
JAN 1843
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Joseph Mansfield Family
Mother: Alice Gaydon

Marriages:
Spouse: Elizabeth Boler Family
Marriage:
10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

************Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


Be wary of taking this kind of entry as Gospel truth AS....any LDS member can submit their tree that they have compiled and it will come uplike this....I have a cousin (maternal side) who submitted his tree and it was full of errors...so be very wary.

ALICE GAYDON Pedigree
Female Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: JOSEPH MANSFIELD Family
Marriage:
05 JAN 1769 Dunton, Buckingham, England

No child born/christened to this couple named Elisabeth or Elizabeth.
Interesting though with naming patters in the family for the earlier generations is that Alice was the first daughter of Thomas and Elisabeth SUMMERTON nee MANSFIELD and Gayton snr and Ann Summerton nee Hardy named their first dau Alice ( died in Hobart)., though this could be after his sister Alice .
Joseph comes in as a name here and there in not too distant generations as well.

MUCH HADHAM and Mansfield families... found this one moons ago but have not been able to get further with it re definite connections as ours...
Mansfield, Birth/Christening, England, British Isles
Father: Philip , Mother: Elisabeth
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1. THOMAS MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JAN 1761 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
2. ELISABETH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 SEP 1762 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
3. SUSAN MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1775 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
4. WILLIAM MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAR 1768 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
5. SARAH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 SEP 1765 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
6. MARY MANFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 OCT 1771 Much Hadham, Hertford, England

This Philip MANSFIELD (father) was md to Elisabeth nee POULTON (the mother).

Always queried why they would have their children (that is Thomas and Elisabeth SUMMERTON nee MANSFIELD) chd in Much Hadham but not so sure this is the connectin why.

New spanner in the works ...
On ships list for 'Appolline' with Gayton and Ann SUMMERTON snr was an Edward SUMMERTON/SOMMERTON aged 21.
FamSearch gave me this..
EDWARD SOMMERTON Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
20 JUL 1817 Caldecote, Warwick, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS SOMMERTON Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Thinking that Edward on Apolline must be (highly likely) a brother to Gayton snr and co...
Very unusual that another Sommerton/Summerton on board same ship to same destination.
The girls of Thos and Elizabeth were not chd in Much Hadham like the older boys were, with Eliza chd in Great Haddern, HRT and Alice in Kings Sutton, Northants.
Father Thomas stated on Census he came from Warwickshire ...so am chasing more info on this Edward.
Did some investigating and this family from Caldecote Warwickshire has other entries for more Christenings to Thomas and Elizabeth but not Summerton, rather SWINNERTON....so this Edward info above from FamSearch may not be the same Edward I am chasing...Hmmmmph!!!
He did not come out to Adelaide with Gayton and Ann from Tassie so will look into Tas deaths and shipping to other ports.

Still pondering little Mansfield Summerton...definitely different child to little Gayton jnr who died at 6yrs as they were both on the 1841 Census..the former with his mother Ann COLLINGRIDGE nee HARDY and the latter with his Grandfather Thomas SUMMERTON and family.

Re little Gayton...or as you will notice n the register, Gaydon...
Baptismal register for Fritwell. The entry reads as follows:======
1835, Nov 29 COLLINGRIDGE, Gaydon Somerton, adulterous s of Anne, wife of Charles Collingridge. NB Charles Collingridge left his wife from which time she lived openly and admitted her cohabitation with Gaydon Somerton.======
This also answers why they married in 1842. It's 7 years from the time Charles and Ann(e) separated so, if she had no contact with him, could have had him declared dead. Thus she could have legally married again. However, if Charles subsequently re-appeared, the second marriage would be declared void but neither party would have been guilty of bigamy. Charles didn't die then, or at least, not in England so Ann and Gayton's marriage would still have been bigamous.

OK...Lots more questins posed still and work to do but also menial things like housework to get done.
Cheers and Blessings.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

very good possible

Keep at it.
I am going to bed.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Oh look at this. What does it mean. Is it a coincidence????? What is the place name Heathe.


Husband
Daniel Mansfield Pedigree


Birth: SEP 1778 Heathe, , Oxford, England
Christening:
Marriage: 10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England
Death: JAN 1843
Burial:



Father: Joseph Mansfield Family
Mother: Alice Gaydon


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Wife
Elizabeth Boler Pedigree


Birth: About 1780 , , England
Christening:
Marriage: 10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England
Death:
Burial:





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Children

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1. Gaydon Mansfield Pedigree
Male

Birth: MAY 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:



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2. John Mansfield Pedigree
Male

Birth: AUG 1801 Hethe, Oxford, England
Christening:
Death: 1855
Burial:

About to go through these from IGI. Will cross check them against the Ancestry Parish records thingy and see if any of them link.

Marriage, 1770 - 1810, England
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Matches: All Sources - 7
International Genealogical Index - British Isles
1. DANIEL MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 1796 Prittlewell, Essex, England

2. DAN MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

3. DAN MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

4. Daniel Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

5. Dan Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 21 JAN 1800

6. Daniel Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 21 JAN 1800 Lethe, , Oxford, England

7. Daniel Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 JAN 1804 Heathe, , Oxford, England

Matches: International Genealogical Index/British Isles - 7

Ignore this one. I have to cross check it against my tree. has a couple of familiar names.

Text: Jas Hawkins Hughes Mansfield of Rainham gent bach (22) & Mary Lake Wakeley of the s sp, 13 Apr 1816.
Book: Volume 35
Collection: Kent, Surrey, London: - Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837

In the middle of cleaning windows and I had this thought. If I could find Elizabeth and Thomas's marriage info on Ancestry why not try for Daniel's info. Well here it is, and it doesn't shed much light but it is interesting.

Daniel Mansfield, widower and Margaret Perfect, widow, married by banns 22 Aug 1814 St Saviour Southwark Surrey, etc ec. Daniel made his mark and Margaret signed her name. In the presence of (what looks like) Thomas Parr and Ann Bicklley (the names are very hard to read).

So no Mansfield at this wedding for Daniel. I wonder who he married orginally. Back to the window cleaning.

Found the banns. Published on 7th, 14th and 21st August 1814, married 22nd Aug 1814.

And found Daniel Mansfield bachelor marrying Elizabeth Gordon spinster in Nov 1817. So two different Daniels from the same area. Owen Read witnessed along with W Williams, who by the way witnessed every marriage on the page. Must be rent-a-witness.