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We believe the possible date of birth is 1772. Elizabeth Summerton was buried aged 63 18 Dec 1835 Kings Sutton All Saints Northamptonshire. Husband Thomas, son George daughter Elizabeth Hawkins and grandson Gayton aged 6 are all buried there.

This is one of the pieces of information we are seeking.

I noticed on the marriage paper she spelled her name Elisabeth. This puts the 15 Mar 1770 as a possibility. However the middle name throws me for a bit. Would she not have used that on her marriage paper. Also there is a Daniel Mansfield who was witness at her marriage to Thomas.

These are all very tenuous links as her age may have been misstated and her name misspelt.

Two other thoughts. Her Thomas died in c1843 so he should still be showing in the 1841 census unless of course he died earlier before the census in 1841. Then Elizabeth being on her own aged 70 would fit. However she would be Elizabeth Summerton and not Elizabeth Mansfield in the census.

The other possibility which is further away in a date match is the one with William as her father. William is used as a family name in the next generation.

This is all supposition. You can play tricks with any of the sets of names and still be incorrect.

I am finding few results for Daniel.

This one is not too far away

DANIEL MANSFIELD Pedigree
Male Family


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Spouse: MARGARET PERFECT Family
Marriage: 22 AUG 1814 Saint Saviour, Southwark, Surrey, England

can't remember if we found this

Deaths Dec 1841 (>99%)
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SUMMERTON G* Banbury 16 5

When I added this one You had not given me a clue about her date of birth and I was looking to see if posssible parents were still in Shoreditch

Possible mother?

1841 census - household transcription
Person: MANSFIELD, Elizth
Address: Duncan Court, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets

DYKE, John M 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW
DYKE, Mary F 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW
MANSFIELD, Elizth F 70 1771 Middlesex VIEW
SEBLY, Benjmin M 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW
SEBLY, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
STEELS, Henry M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW
STEELS, Mary F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW
CRIPPLE, Susan F 6 1835 Middlesex VIEW
HARTLY, Mary F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW
HARTLY, Abram M 14 1827 Middlesex VIEW
HARTLY, George M 10 1831 Middlesex VIEW
HARTLY, James M 7 1834 Middlesex VIEW
HARTLY, John M 5 1836 Middlesex

George, son of Thomas and Elizabeth died in 1895. The George who died in 1841 could have been a brother to Thomas. Our information starts with Thomas christened 1809.

And the Elizabeth Mansfield age 70 in the 1841 census would have a dob of about 1771. That is also Elizabeth Summerton nee Mansfield's approximate date of birth. Her mother would have a date of birth around 1751.

Am I reading that info correctly??!

I like the Daniel. I couldn't find any reference to him and the given name Daniel is not continued through into the descendants. Need to wonder why particularly as this family was very big on continuing names.

In the middle of cleaning windows and I had this thought. If I could find Elizabeth and Thomas's marriage info on Ancestry why not try for Daniel's info. Well here it is, and it doesn't shed much light but it is interesting.

Daniel Mansfield, widower and Margaret Perfect, widow, married by banns 22 Aug 1814 St Saviour Southwark Surrey, etc ec. Daniel made his mark and Margaret signed her name. In the presence of (what looks like) Thomas Parr and Ann Bicklley (the names are very hard to read).

So no Mansfield at this wedding for Daniel. I wonder who he married orginally. Back to the window cleaning.

Found the banns. Published on 7th, 14th and 21st August 1814, married 22nd Aug 1814.

And found Daniel Mansfield bachelor marrying Elizabeth Gordon spinster in Nov 1817. So two different Daniels from the same area. Owen Read witnessed along with W Williams, who by the way witnessed every marriage on the page. Must be rent-a-witness.

Ignore this one. I have to cross check it against my tree. has a couple of familiar names.

Text: Jas Hawkins Hughes Mansfield of Rainham gent bach (22) & Mary Lake Wakeley of the s sp, 13 Apr 1816.
Book: Volume 35
Collection: Kent, Surrey, London: - Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837

About to go through these from IGI. Will cross check them against the Ancestry Parish records thingy and see if any of them link.

Marriage, 1770 - 1810, England
Exact Spelling: Off
Matches: All Sources - 7
International Genealogical Index - British Isles
1. DANIEL MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 1796 Prittlewell, Essex, England

2. DAN MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

3. DAN MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

4. Daniel Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

5. Dan Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 21 JAN 1800

6. Daniel Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 21 JAN 1800 Lethe, , Oxford, England

7. Daniel Mansfield - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 JAN 1804 Heathe, , Oxford, England

Matches: International Genealogical Index/British Isles - 7

Oh look at this. What does it mean. Is it a coincidence????? What is the place name Heathe.


Husband
Daniel Mansfield Pedigree


Birth: SEP 1778 Heathe, , Oxford, England
Christening:
Marriage: 10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England
Death: JAN 1843
Burial:



Father: Joseph Mansfield Family
Mother: Alice Gaydon


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Wife
Elizabeth Boler Pedigree


Birth: About 1780 , , England
Christening:
Marriage: 10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England
Death:
Burial:





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Children

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1. Gaydon Mansfield Pedigree
Male

Birth: MAY 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England
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2. John Mansfield Pedigree
Male

Birth: AUG 1801 Hethe, Oxford, England
Christening:
Death: 1855
Burial:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

very good possible

Keep at it.
I am going to bed.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

ALICE GAYDON Pedigree
Female Family

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Marriages:
Spouse: JOSEPH MANSFIELD Family
Marriage:
05 JAN 1769 Dunton, Buckingham, England

No child born/christened to this couple named Elisabeth or Elizabeth.
Interesting though with naming patters in the family for the earlier generations is that Alice was the first daughter of Thomas and Elisabeth SUMMERTON nee MANSFIELD and Gayton snr and Ann Summerton nee Hardy named their first dau Alice ( died in Hobart)., though this could be after his sister Alice .
Joseph comes in as a name here and there in not too distant generations as well.

MUCH HADHAM and Mansfield families... found this one moons ago but have not been able to get further with it re definite connections as ours...
Mansfield, Birth/Christening, England, British Isles
Father: Philip , Mother: Elisabeth
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C072682
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1. THOMAS MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JAN 1761 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
2. ELISABETH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 SEP 1762 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
3. SUSAN MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1775 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
4. WILLIAM MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAR 1768 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
5. SARAH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 SEP 1765 Much Hadham, Hertford, England
6. MARY MANFIELD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 OCT 1771 Much Hadham, Hertford, England

This Philip MANSFIELD (father) was md to Elisabeth nee POULTON (the mother).

Always queried why they would have their children (that is Thomas and Elisabeth SUMMERTON nee MANSFIELD) chd in Much Hadham but not so sure this is the connectin why.

New spanner in the works ...
On ships list for 'Appolline' with Gayton and Ann SUMMERTON snr was an Edward SUMMERTON/SOMMERTON aged 21.
FamSearch gave me this..
EDWARD SOMMERTON Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
20 JUL 1817 Caldecote, Warwick, England
Death:
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS SOMMERTON Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Thinking that Edward on Apolline must be (highly likely) a brother to Gayton snr and co...
Very unusual that another Sommerton/Summerton on board same ship to same destination.
The girls of Thos and Elizabeth were not chd in Much Hadham like the older boys were, with Eliza chd in Great Haddern, HRT and Alice in Kings Sutton, Northants.
Father Thomas stated on Census he came from Warwickshire ...so am chasing more info on this Edward.
Did some investigating and this family from Caldecote Warwickshire has other entries for more Christenings to Thomas and Elizabeth but not Summerton, rather SWINNERTON....so this Edward info above from FamSearch may not be the same Edward I am chasing...Hmmmmph!!!
He did not come out to Adelaide with Gayton and Ann from Tassie so will look into Tas deaths and shipping to other ports.

Still pondering little Mansfield Summerton...definitely different child to little Gayton jnr who died at 6yrs as they were both on the 1841 Census..the former with his mother Ann COLLINGRIDGE nee HARDY and the latter with his Grandfather Thomas SUMMERTON and family.

Re little Gayton...or as you will notice n the register, Gaydon...
Baptismal register for Fritwell. The entry reads as follows:======
1835, Nov 29 COLLINGRIDGE, Gaydon Somerton, adulterous s of Anne, wife of Charles Collingridge. NB Charles Collingridge left his wife from which time she lived openly and admitted her cohabitation with Gaydon Somerton.======
This also answers why they married in 1842. It's 7 years from the time Charles and Ann(e) separated so, if she had no contact with him, could have had him declared dead. Thus she could have legally married again. However, if Charles subsequently re-appeared, the second marriage would be declared void but neither party would have been guilty of bigamy. Charles didn't die then, or at least, not in England so Ann and Gayton's marriage would still have been bigamous.

OK...Lots more questins posed still and work to do but also menial things like housework to get done.
Cheers and Blessings.

Daniel Mansfield Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
SEP 1778 Heathe, , Oxford, England
Christening:
Death:
JAN 1843
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Joseph Mansfield Family
Mother: Alice Gaydon

Marriages:
Spouse: Elizabeth Boler Family
Marriage:
10 MAR 1800 Hethe, Oxford, England

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Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


Be wary of taking this kind of entry as Gospel truth AS....any LDS member can submit their tree that they have compiled and it will come uplike this....I have a cousin (maternal side) who submitted his tree and it was full of errors...so be very wary.

Hi and Greetings,

I am going to run the Much Hadham group of Mansfield families christenings through the New London Metro Archive Parish Records thingy and see what I can find.

OK Distracted off task. Have found Father: William Mansfield, Mother Alice

Children all christened at Sutton Cambridgeshire, which is 50 miles from Much Hadham. Elisabeth, 1762, Mary 1761, Robert 1763, William 1764, Ann 1757, Alice 1767, Susanna 1767. The last two could be twins dog given same as chr dates.

Here is Thomas and Sarah in the 1841 census. Either age must have been changed. Brother and sister from IGI Phillip/Elisabeth family.

Name: Thomas Mansfield
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1763
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Stoke Newington
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Ward 36
Fanny Ward 32
James Ward 12
Maria Ward 10
Harriett Ward 7
George Ward 2
Thomas Mansfield 78
Sarah Mansfield 78

Sorry people. I need to do this the old fashioned way. There are 24 pages of data here. I am printing it off and compiling a tree from the information. Actually it will probably be a jolly forest. Bear with me until I have my head around what is there.

Good morning.
You have been working so hard you lost my head some time ago.
I am at work today but I expect to find several pages of musings when I get back.

you might find this useful


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=702290

I did as I said and analysed the information given on this thread. It is sorted and written into my book. I am discounting nothing although, I must admit, I did not pay lots of attention to the Gayton, Gaydon family name information, based on the place name. That will require further scrutiny, later on. Remember I am sorting given information not deciding which bits are correct.

So. Elizabeth Mansfield. There are four possibilities for birth. Chosing one of them will give her parent’s names. I am assuming because of the dates birth certificates will not be available to confirm parent’s names. Parish records??

EM. born 14 Sep 1766, St Mary, Stepney London
Father: Benjamin
Mother: Elizabeth.

EM. Born 19 May 1767, chr 25 May 1767, St Leonards Shoreditch
Father: James Mansfield
Mother: Elizabeth.

EM. Born 15 Mar 1770 chr 8 Apr 1770 St Leonards Shoreditch
Father: Edward
Mother: Sarah.

EM. Born 19 Jul 1789 chr 9 Aug 1789 St Luke Finsbury London
Father: William
Mother: Mary

Ezekiel you may wish to argue in favour of one of the entries. You have the prior knowledge.


I have just backtracked the next lot of information and came up with three more Elisabeth Mansfields.

1. ELISABETH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 12 SEP 1762 Much Hadham, Hertford, England

2. ELIZABETH - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 07 FEB 1762 Sutton, Cambridge, England

3. ELIZABETH MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAY 1762 Bexley, Kent, England

The first two are the EMs from the next lot of Mansfield family information which follows.