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Sandra, just looking at PMs I've received from you --

for births marriages deaths before about 1930, don't use the search facility here. As you've noted (I don't know myself) it brings up too much extraneous stuff.

Use FreeBMD.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Ebenezer Kirkpatrick is a pretty unusual name.

FreeBMD shows a marriage 1846 in Wisbeach, a death (age 67) in King's Lynn 1881, a birth Jun quarter 1908 Grimsby and a death March quarter 1909 (age 0) in Grimsby.

Clearly, the birth and death in 1908 and 1909 are the same child.

And since there is no marriage for an Ebenezer Kirkpatrick, or birth of one of an age to be that EK's father, his father wasn't an Ebenezer Kirkpatrick. Unless he came from away already married.

There is one Kirkpatrick household in Grimsby in 1911 (I'll assume they're all in the same household):

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

KIRKPATRICK MARGARET 1879 32 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK JOHN WILLIAM 1905 6 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK THOMAS 1904 7 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK JESSIE B S 1902 9 Grimsby Lincolnshire
KIRKPATRICK ELLEN ANN 1910 11 MONTHS Grimsby Lincolnshire

At this point I don't know whether that helps.

There's no other Kirkpatrick death in Grimsby 1900-1920, so whether that Margaret was single, widowed, married -- you would have to pay to look at the transcript or image at the 1911 census site.


Oh, okay. How it helps is to show that in 1911, at least, there were no other Fitzpatricks in Grisby, increasingly the likelihood that this

Marriages Dec 1929
Kirkpatrick Jessie Toyne Grimsby 7a 1717
Toyne Arthur Kirkpatrick Grimsby 7a 1717

is your Jessie.

But really, the certificate is the only thing that will confirm that, and there's just nothing anybody else can suggest that will.

re ebenezer kirkpatrick 1908-1909 ,Thank you so much for info on infant,we did not know there was a young sibling who had died so young, my cousin is in grimsby now and trying to find the grave we have the cemetary details etc now,it will be nice for us to get together up there and put some flowers on the grave,we have got so far now with our family considering we knew nothing about our grandparents and only 4 of their children when we started off doing the tree,we now have gone back to the 1700s so a big thank you to all of you who have helped us,regards sandra

My cousin has now found baby ebenezer kirkpatricks grave in grimsby,we would like to put a plaque there as he no markings ,we would like to put exact date of birth and exact date of death if possible \i was wondering if anyone can help us here please he was born june quarter 1908 and died march quarter 1909 regards sandra

To get his exact dates of birth and death you will have to buy the certificates.
There is no other way.

ok thanks viv ,,my cousin is in grimsby,have to inform her,regards sandra

hi ,has anyone got the parents names of my ancestor thomas kirkpatricks ,thomas wa s born in 1788 and married to margaret shearer born around1798 they were married 08.02.1817,in scotland.I cannot seem to get back any further than Thomas,i think his fathers first name was william,but on another tree some one has got his father as andrew, regards sandra

The marriage certificate will have his parents names on and his wifes.
It should be on Scotlandspeople if it was 1877.
Which is pay per view only.
1 credit to get the record and 5 credits to view the certificate.
£6 for 30 credits

whoops marraige 1817 not 1877 regards sandra

It may still be on Scotlandspeople under Banns and Marriages.

You really need to have a look for it on there.

Same price if you find a likely one.

But free to search.

thanks viv,i will see what I can find ,regards sandra

I have found a marriage for margaret kirkpatrick in grimsby in 1937,I wonder if this could have been the missing link I have been looking for,as margaret was married to ebenezer kirkpatrick before this date in 1901 ,her last child to Ebenezer was in 1921 I lost track of them both and wonder if maybe she was widowed and remarried ,has anyone any idea where she could have been living in 1937, Hope i am on the right track,but at least it is a lead ,regards sandra

This is the marriage that you have found

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1937 (93%)
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Kirkpatrick Margaret Richmond Grimsby 7a 1747
RICHMOND George Kirkpatrick Grimsby 7a 1747


If you buy the marriage certificate it will give you her father's name and occupation then you will know if it is the correct Margaret!

I have found a link on another tree ,and have sent them a message as they had a george richmond married to a margaret kirkpatrick ,,hope we have a link here ,if not I will buy the marriage certificate,hoping it is the right one,or if I am just clutching at straws.regrds sandra

looking at our pheobe gribble born abt 1890 I have found a marriage with another tree to a j mc clarren for her but we cannot get any further although other tree link has a josephine we think born to them but no details,,can anyone help us here please.regards sandra

I'm afraid after all this time I've kind of lost the thread here, but for the specific question: you can search for the marriage at FreeBMD as we all can:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

I searched for the marriage of a

Gribble
Ph*
to a
Mc*

and there isn't one. (Just a Philip Gribble to a McNeill)

Does your contact not have some facts about this marriage? Date, place; children? How do they know about it?? Is McClarren actually the spelling of the surname? It's kind of difficult searching for things if we don't have accurate spellings.

I forget whether there's a reason there is no birth findable for a Pheobe (Phoebe?) Gribble. Oh ... right ... Scotland?

Well, at Scotland's People there are two Phoebe Gribble marriages 1905 to 1930. Somebody is just going to have to pay to look at them, I guess! And there is one Phoebe Gribble birth 1885-1895.

The marriage info will give parents' names, so the person will be identifiable.

We don't know whether you have followed up on any of the other advice here -- specifically things to be searched for at Scotland's People. Credits there are really not expensive, but unless someone has some spare (mine have expired) it's something you'll have to do yourself!

Thank you janey I will look on scottish people ,
regards sandra

Can anyone help me to find if another Ebenezer kirkpatrick born in 1874 in the orkneys married and moved to england like our ebenezer did .regards sandra

This is the only Ebenezer Kirkpatrick ( born c1874) on the 1901 census

Name: Ebenezer Kirkpatrick
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Chatham Dockyard
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: Galatea
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1




The only others in 1901.........

Name: Ebenezer Kirkpatrick
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jessie
Gender: Male
Where born: Walls, Orkney
Registration Number: 32/1
Registration district: Walls
Civil parish: Walls
County: Orkney
Address: Cautie Head Farm
Occupation: Farmer
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 52
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_8
Household Members: Name Age
Ebenezer Kirkpatrick 51
Jessie Kirkpatrick 45
Ebenezer Kirkpatrick 16
William Kirkpatrick 14
Malcolm Kirkpatrick 14
Gordon Nicolson 18
Jane Fiddler 16


Source Citation: Parish: Walls; ED: 4; Page: 10; Line: 18; Roll CSSCT1901_8; Year: 1901.



Name: Ebenezer Kirkpatrick
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Marjory
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanarkshire, Hamilton
Registration Number: 488/1
Registration district: St Ninians
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: 71 Main Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 32
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1901_163
Household Members: Name Age
Marjory Kirkpatrick 32
Alexander Kirkpatrick 13
Ebenezer Kirkpatrick 12
Jane Kirkpatrick 10
Thomas Kirkpatrick 8
Violet Kirkpatrick 6
John Kirkpatrick 2
James Kirkpatrick 6mo

Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 2; Page: 7; Line: 5; Roll CSSCT1901_163; Year: 1901.

Thank you rootgatherer,I am wondering if our Ebenezer born 1878 may have lied about is age to work on the ships,as I have searched for his wereabouts but no where on the 1911 censor,there is a kirkpatrick.E on the 1911 censor as being in Hull but that is for the 1875 birth ,I have our ebenezers (born1878) wife and children all in grimsby from 1903 which are on my tree but cannot find him anywhere ,,maybe he was at sea ,or died at sea,I have details of all the rest of the family but not him .thats why maybe there was a link with other birth dates
regards sandra