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Hello, I am trying to piece together my fathers family. I have my grandfather, Hiram Ross (b.04/10/1907) to Charles Ross & Ann Henrietta Bennett. There was an older brother Charles (b.1901 I think). I am having trouble linking Charles Ross (snr) to his family. I have a thread to a Ross family. Parents William Ross (b.1833c) and Alice Crossley (b.1836c). They had four sons, James, c.1862, Charles, c1864, Joseph, c.1866, Walter c.1873.
I am hoping this Charles is my great grandfather.

Can anyone help me to verify that I have the right link to the right family. I have not had any luck in tracing information on either Charles Ross and Ann Bennett.
Sadly my father doesn't have any information at all on his ancestors.

As I live in NZ, I am quite likely not at my computer at the same time as many of you. I will check back on my request, I thank you in advance for any help you may be able to provide.
My thanks to Eleanor for the help thus far,

Susan

So, we need a location for starters!

Births Dec 1907
ROSS Hiram Manchester 8d 263


Problem now is there doesn't seem to be a Ross-Bennett marriage. No birth for an Ann Henrietta Bennett 1850-1890.

Do you have Hiram's birth certificate? No indication that Ann had been previously married?

There's no Hiram Ross in the parts of the 1911 so far transcribed (which include Lancashire).

Do you have any idea when they left England?

Hello EvieBeavie,
oh my god, an actual reply! Thankyou. Yes I do have Hiram's birth certificate. Mother listed as Ann Henrietta Ross, formerly Bennett. I always asumed Bennett was a maiden name, didn't think about it being a previous married name. I did think Charles and Ann had children quite late. Now I am doubly stumped.

Hiram lived his entire life in England. My father emigrated to NZ in the 50's. Hiram married Mary Casey on Dec 26th, 1931. I have a copy of the marriage certificate.

More locations needed.

The household you are looking at, I can't find in 1871 (Charles Ross c1864 with parents William and Alice).

Here's an interesting one, though.


Name: Charles Ross
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Hiram
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Broughton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Broughton
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Salford

Hiram Ross 39
Mary Ross 36
William A Ross 10
Fanny Ross 8
Charles Ross 6
John R Ross 3
Margaret Ross 1


I mean -- names like Hiram, people didn't usually pull out of a hat in 1907!

I have a copy of a birth certificate for an Annie Bennett, 11th Feb 1866. Born to George Bennett adnd Mary Ann Bennett, formerly Tonge. I an mot sure if this is the right Ann Bennett. I ordered it a) because dates tallied, b) home address listed as 8 Marshall Terrace Salford. It was the nearest match I could find. Not sure how to verify it though.

Ah, okay then, no emigration getting in the way. ;)

I imagine Hiram is weirdly mistranscribed in the 1911, and the way it stands now I can't do fuzzy searches.

You can take a shot at that census:

http://dundee-a.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Here's the Charles I'm looking at, in 1881:

Hiram S. L. Ross 49
Mary Ross 45
Fanny Ross 18
Charles J. Ross 16 - Occupation: Clerk Warehouse (Comm)
John R. Ross 13
Margaret J. Ross 11
Joseph E. Ross 6


And here's the Charles you're looking at, in 1881:

William Ross 48
Alice Ross 46
James Ross 18
Charles Ross 16 - Occupation: Engraver Copper Works (Artist)
Joseph Ross 14
Walter Ross 11


Does your Charles have an occupation stated on Hiram's birth cert?

I have to go crash and restore my Firefox, which is getting irritable about too many windows and tabs open. I shall return.

On Hiram and Mary's wedding certificate,(1931) Hiram's father is named as Charles Alexander Ross, deceased. I don't think the names listed are my direct family, but possibly another branch of the family.

This looks to be my Charles's birth:

Births Sep 1864
Ross Charles James Salford 8d 25

And this looks to be yours:

Births Sep 1864
Ross Charles Salford 8d 56

There's an annoyance.

Ah, information not disclosed -- father Charles Alexander Ross.

Anything else you'd like to share??

Seriously! There is just no reason to withhold information.

The earliest Charles Alexander Ross births in the GRO:

Births Dec 1857
Ross Charles Alexander Salford 8d 58
Ross Charles Alexander Salford 8d 60


Your Charles, father of Hiram, really could have been born c1880, to a father born 1857.

You're looking at much older Charles-s -- is there a basis for the age?

Hello, Charles's occupation in 1907, listed as a Foundry Labourer.

Sorry my replies seem to be crossing over yours.

The only Charles Alexander Ross marriage in the neighbourhood:


Marriages Sep 1875
CASSERLY Lucy Salford 8d 11
Ross Charles Alexander Salford 8d 11
Scott Arthur George Salford 8d 11
SCRACE Jane Salford 8d 11


Of course, your Charles Alexander could have married as plain Charles.

Hold on, I'm muddled. Charles Alexander is father of Hiram, not of Hiram's father Charles ...

There's no danged Charles Ross born in Salford 1860-1870 in the 1901, or the 1901.

Military, I wonder?

Here's a suitable death:

Deaths Sep 1926
Ross Charles A 60 Salford 8d 296

That would put him born 1865-66, plus allowance for what may well have been rounding.

Is this another child's birth?

Births Jun 1912
Ross Charles (Bennett) Manchester 8d 527

Could be the son Charles you referred to, or a replacement for a child who died young.

There's no Bennett-Ross marriage in Manchester.