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I am not deliberately with holding information! I have had absolutely no luck searching for a Charles Alexander Ross. On Hirams birth certificate, the father is named a Charles Ross only, Hiram's marriage certificate names him as Charles Alexander..... Hiram's birth certificate is the only link to tell me my great grandparents names. I have been searching all the Charles Ross's living in the Salford area trying to establish a link. The 1901 census gave me a Charles Ross, spouse Ann, one year old son Charles, living at 46 Dalton Street, Salford. Assuming this was the correct Charles gave me a birth year of 1864c.

Over a year ago I sent quite a large amount of money to the resident genealogist to try and get a link established. To date, he hasn't told me anything at all.
It is all getting very frustrating.

Okey dokey, what do you think?


Marriages Mar 1909
> BAKER Henrietta Manchester 8d 195
DALTON Mary Manchester 8d 195
OLIVER James Willie Manchester 8d 195
> ROSS Charles Manchester 8d 195


edit: there are no Ross-Baker births in Manchester 1911 onward.

She shoots, she scores.


Marriages Dec 1885
> Baker Peter Manchester 8d 323
> Bennett Henrietta Manchester 8d 323
Hirst George Ernest Manchester 8d 323
Locke Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 323

Any use ?1911

HOUSEHOLD BAKER LATE ROSS HENRIETTA F 1871 40 Manchester Lancashire

So, how large an amount of money are we talking here? ;)

re sharing info -- admit it now, some of that had to be dragged out of you over the course of the thread! Hiram's father's full name from the marriage cert, that's a gem not to be hidden. Even though it may not have been too useful, so far.

Sorry, I don't know how to interpret the marriages listed. I don't know anything about a Charles born 1912. My father talked about an Uncle Charles who he thinks moved away to Preston. My information from Dad is that his Uncle died in an industrial accident while working for W.E Carey's Spring Manufacturers. Apparently he fell into a vat of boiling oil.

I once again assumed Charles was older than Hiram from the 1901 census info.

Hmm, that's an odd one, Lindsey! She gave up on Mr. Ross?

My Henrietta in 1901:

Name: Henrietta Baker
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Peter
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester

Peter Baker 36
Henrietta Baker 34
Elizabeth Baker 13
Peter Baker 8
James Baker 5
Rose Baker 2 months
Mary Kay 25 (servant)


Deaths Sep 1901
Baker Peter 36 Manchester 8d 225


So I wonder why she and Charles wouldn't marry earlier.

*He* was married?

In narrative form:

Henrietta Bennett married Peter Baker in 1885.

Peter Baker died in 1901.

Henrietta married Charles Ross as Henrietta Baker in 1909.

But her birth surname was Bennett, so that's the name given on the children's birth certificates. (Sometimes it says Ross formerly Bennett late Baker, but not always.)

The question is: why did they not marry before Hiram was born?

I suspect that Charles had a pre-existing marriage.

They were both old enough that he'd had lots of time to marry and become estranged from a first wife.

More than $900 NZ dollars.....

Here are the people named Ross living with Henrietta Baker in 1911:

ROSS ALICE F 1907 4 Manchester Lancashire
ROSS HYRAM M 1908 3 Manchester Lancashire
ROSS WALTER M 1905 6 Manchester Lancashire


The mystery is now 100% cracked, I'd say!

Susan, that's shameful.

Please print this out, take it to said genealogist, and seek a return of money!

Seriously. Yikes.

What you absolutely need now is the Baker-Ross marriage certificate to get Charles's age and father's name.

That's the only way to identify him certainly in the earlier censuses.

Oh well done I went back to scoop up the rellies and 1911 gave me to too busy sign!

Deffo demand a refund, for £3 english its a bargain to get the original !

Probably Henrietta's birth -- likely she grew unfond of the name Henrietta.

Births Jun 1867
BENNETT Henrietta Manchester 8d 274

"I once again assumed Charles was older than Hiram from the 1901 census info."

Sorry, Susan ............ what 1901 census info?

Twigged to your thanks to Eleanor at the beginning.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1096755

"I have a Charles and Ann Ross (1901 census) living at 46 Dalton St, Salford. "

Hmm, no, that's not the one.

Were you sent other info by private message?

Could be; there are also 3 old messages:

Trying to find Bennett
ANN HENRIETTA BENNETT I am trying to find relat
Susan Millar 12/07/2006 08:17:03 0
Trying to find Bennett
HELP PLEASE ! I am searching for any informat
Susan Millar 06/12/2006 18:09:38 0
Trying to find Ross
Help Please ! I am trying to find a link to my
Susan 03/02/2007 07:47:48 0


Future ref. One post only, just add to it to bump it up to the top of the list.

For instance, when you get the Ross-Baker marriage cert, post the info here (and edit the subject line to say "new info page __" or some such.)

Now to find that 1901 household I can't find ...

1901 census online, ational Archives Records:
address 46 Dalton St, Salford

Charles Ross ,head, married, railway platelayer, born Shrops Edgmond, wfe Ann Ross, 34, son Charles 1.

Looks like I have been chasing the wrong links all along.

Thankyou so much for your help. To be honest, my head is spinning trying to get a grip on the information you have provided.

I am in need of a large glass of wine I think.

How do you come up with so much so quickly? Are you in the UK?

Thanks again EvieBeavie and Lindsey.

I promise I am not a half wit, contrary to what you are probably thinking. I will digest and process, hopeflly I can put it all on paper to tell my Dad ,Eric and my uncle - yes Charles (lives in Sydney).

Cheers,

Susan

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Name: Chas Ross
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Name: Wm Ross
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford


Ancestry shows no one else in the household. The image shows Chas as unmarried and a general labourer.

We move by night in secret places. ;)

I think the Chas I finally *did* find is the son of William and Alice, who it is looking like probably is your Charles.

And that makes it likely that the 1912 Charles son of Ross and Bennett is your dad's uncle Charles.

Now I just want my pot of gold!

Oh btw -- a couple of households away from Chas Ross in Salford in 1901 is someone identified as a foundry labourer, and there are other iron workers on the page.

It's looking very good to be the Charles you had in mind, although by a rather different route. ;)