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a big ask i know. have recently discovered my family history { a little anyway} ! my grandad is called HENRY RADLEY,born 1874 in deptford area kent. however have now found out that his birth name was LEEK., same area. have found on 1901 census a JOHN AND SARAH LEEK,,deptford. i desparetely need to trace this line of the family, not just for obvious reasons but for the sake of my daughter who has baffled drs with a serious illness. john and sarah both born 1850/1. any help at all would be greatfully received. with thanx

this is a possible for the marriage?

Name: John William Leek
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Spouse Name: Sarah Ann Tilby
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Jul 1872
Parish: All Saints, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Henry Leek
Spouse Father Name: John Tilby

OK Ruth. 3 questions! Firstly, how did you get back to Henry in the first place? What makes you believe he was born under a different name? And lastly, where do John and Sarah figure in all this?
Just trying to establish all your info is correct - don't want you barking up the wrong family tree!!
jan

Name: Henry Charles Leek
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Aug 1874
Father's Name: John William Leek
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Leek
Parish: St Luke, Deptford
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

Alfred James Reuben Leek
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Aug 1876
Father's Name: John William Leek
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Leek
Parish: St Luke, Deptford
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex


Name: John William Gilby ( or Silby) Leek
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Aug 1876
Father's Name: John William Leek
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Leek
Parish: St Luke, Deptford
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

1881 England Census
Name: Henry Leek
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John W.
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 40 Dorking Road
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John W. Leek 30
Sarah Leek 31
John Leek 8
Henry Leek 7
Alfred Leek 5
Herbert Leek




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 706; Folio: 25; Page: 44; GSU roll: 1341165.

yes thats them thankyou. i managed to trace a cousin living, a norman radley and he told me it was known in the family that henry radley [ grandad] was really a leek. i looked up leeks in the area and found a young henry son of john and sarah, but disapperes shortly after

Well, up to you. Just as long as you are sure and have looked for Henry Radley but not found him! Not entirely convinced, but then I am an old cynic ...
Jan

there IS a henry Radley born 1874 St george London...

also this Henry Leek does seem to be around for 1891/1901 census under the name Leek......

yes thankyou, how do i prove when time is of the essence, that henry leek, born 1874, lewisham, deptford, is then the same henry radley born same place and year ?

what was grandfather's wife's name?

see there is this one

1891 England Census
about Henry Radley
Name: Henry Radley
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nathan Woods 29
Maryann Woods 27
Nathan Woods 2
Arthur Woods 1
Rosan Batchelor 22
Jessie Kennedy 23
Harry Parrott 23
Henry Radley 17 ******
Arthur Waterman 19


But in same census

1891 England Census
about Henry Leek
Name: Henry Leek
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Chas
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, London, England

Civil parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Deptford St Nicholas
Town: Deptford
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Chas Leek 41
Emily Leek 41
Henry Leek 19
David Leek 17
Frank Leek 14


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henry radley married rosanna batchelder, from norfolk, born 1871, thankyou

do you have that marriage certificate Ruth? what is the father's name then?

yes rosanna listed there, but surname is batchelder

ok this one then

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Batchelder Rosanna Chilvers Loddon 4b 425
RADLEY Henry Leek Loddon 4b 425

so the middle name is Leek for henry Radley...

but what is his fathers name on cert?

sorry i dont, henrys dad and mum [ my grt grandparents] are moses and martha radley

Ruth can we back track a minute...what certificates (or absolute family memory) have you got that you know are 'certain'?

Martha and Moses Radley?

really trying to see why Radley/leek are mixed like this...

1911 Henry radley born 1874 Lewisham Kent railway engine driver.
Rosan amrried 14 years born 1871 Hackingham norfolk.

Maryb

two baptism with those parents

John Radley Baptism 12 Jun 1864 Moses Radley,
Martha Radley St Paul, Deptford Lewisham
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Herbert Henry Radley Baptism 4 Jun 1865 Moses Radley,
Martha Radley St Paul,

You really need to tell us exactly how you are tracing back here...because I am , like Jan, questioning the links here