Genealogy Chat

I would like to thank everyone who has tried to help me.
Merry Christmas to you all and a very happy New Year

Val:~)

Off to have a bath now and crawl into bed..up at 5 for work
Once again Siobhan thanks for all your help and a big thanks in advance if you find anything else!!
Will look on here again tomorrow night
sleep well
Val

Hi Siobhan
Yes it is all very bizarre!!!

I noticed on the info you show for 1891 there is someone in the family by name of Maggie!!
When Dad gave me the information he had (which is not a lot!!) by the name Helen (Stuart/Stewart) Watt ....Maggie ( could be a maiden name????) I know its not a surname but what a coincidence!!)

He never knew of any siblings for his Mother and if I read this right you have 2 sons of Helen ..James and William, before Lilian came on the scene!!

HELP!!! Whatever am I to do!!??????

This is getting more and more confusing!! it seems no-one in this family want to be found...I still cannot find anything about Lilians husband either!!

FRANTIC (pulls out hair!!)

regards Val

right something not right now. The Helen Stewart Duncan who married James Watt, is still in Scotland in 1901 with James, so it can not be your Helen (mother or Lilian).

strange thing is, I can find no trace of Helen prior to 1901, the nearest match that keeps coming up is this Helen Stewart Duncan. Very Bizarre.

this is the Helen with james in 1891, which if is correct would work out she was pregnant with Lilian at this time??

Name: Helen S Watt
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James
Gender: Female
Where born: Grange, Banffshire
Registration Number: 162
Registration district: Mortlach
Civil Parish: Mortlach
Town: Dufftown
County: Banffshire
Address: Macduff Pl Rock Cottage
ED: 1
Page: 34 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 206
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1891_46
Household Members:
Name Age
Maggie Shisart 18
Helen S Watt 23
James Watt 24
James Watt 2
William R Watt 5Mo

I am pretty sure this is Helen, lilian's mother in the 1881 census Name: Helen S Duncan
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's Name: Helen
Gender: Female
Where born: Grange, Banffsh
Registration Number: 202
Registration district: Huntly
Civil Parish: Huntly
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 37 Princes Street
ED: 4
Page: 10 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881_60
Household Members:
Name Age
Helen Duncan 44
Helen S Duncan 13
James Duncan 20
Jane L Duncan 11
Robert Duncan 18
Alexr Morrison 21
James Morrison 20

7 years before her marriage to James Watt. (Notice she is in Huntly where she married.

The interesting this is, if on Lilian's birth cert if gives father as William Watt, then who is James? and why is Helen's maiden name on birth cert Watt when it was actually Duncan

Thank you Siobhan
I cant believe something different has been found for Helens marriage.!!!(fantastic news if it can be proven)

On Lilians birth certificate she was born in Chorlton Manchester on 16th October 1891, the father is down as William Watt a Newspaper Compositor, the Mother Helen Stewart Watt (formerly Watt) I never considered her having another maiden name.
You will never believe how pleased I am to receive this information.

Lilian never had a middle name, if she married before she never told her children, again this is an interesting thought.
She died in manchester in 1963 (dont have cert.)
I am so grateful to you for all this help, and will be grateful if you can find any more for me please.

A HUGE BIG THANKYOU TO YOU!!
regards Val:~)

I dont think Helen Stewart surname was Watt, there is a marriage on scotlands people for Helen Stewart Duncan to James Watt, 1888 Huntly in Aberdeenshire and it all ties in from the census.

Helen Elizabeth, Siobhan, she was born in Manchester in 1924 sorry I have year wrong , I have her birth cert.
Val

I am sorry Heather
but I am going to have to get to bed now, am up at 5 and need some sleep
thank you so very much for your help
I will be grateful if you find anything else and will look on here again tomorrow night and see if you may need any other info
I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed you may find something I have been unable to see!!
again...many thanks
GOOD NIGHT!!!
Val

she was Helen stewart (given names) maiden name was Watt, and marrried a Watt!!!!!!!!

On Lilians birth cert she was born in Manchester, but Dad always thought she was born in Scotland in Arbroath where her mum came from

It does make you wonder!!
Suppose she could have just taken his name, as she was always known as Mrs Lilian George

Is Lilian scottish? - The mothers name would indicate that? Was the mother married or was her maiden name Watt?

I have to admit Heather Ive been unable to find a marriage myself!!
But will be fantastic if you can
Lilians Mother was Helen Stewart Watt
But have nothing at all on Fred

1924 No
1925 No, but Q4 missing
1923 No
1926 No


Im beginning to wonder if they married Val.

Anyway, I really must shoot now, OH is ill and I have to take the dogs out as they are scrabbling at the door.

If anyone else has find my past can you check Q4 of 1925 please for a George/Watt marriage.

We need to find the marriage between Fred and Lilian. If we find that you can buy the cert for £7 from GRO online and that will give both of their fathers and their fathers occupations. From there you can work backwards.

Ive just looked at 1924 - through all quarters there is nothing on there. Just looking at 1925, nothing so far.

yes I believe that to be him Heather!!
he was in the Machine Gun Corps,
My Aunt is no longer with us,her children dont know any more than I do.
My Aunt and Dad were both born in Manchester.
We dont know if something happened, (could have done a runner or died) with him not being around after dad was born!! but Dad always understood his father died sometime in 1927 after Dad was born!!!
Hope you can understand all that??
Val

Is that medal card above him then and have you downloaded it for £3.50? Is that why you said machine gun corps? (Though he is in two diff reg there and 2 different ranks.

So where was your aunt/dad born? What are your aunt and fathers names.And are there any other kids? And do they know when he died?

hello Heather
We never knew him!! he was my Dad and Aunts Father.
My aunt was born in 1925 (update 1924) and Dad in 1927, my Aunt remembered a tall man when she was tiny but nothing else and their father was never with them once Dad was born.(he is named on birth cert.)
Their mother (Lilian George nee Watt) told them he came from Oz after fighting in WW1 then came over to Manchester met and married her, my aunt believed they wed in London!! (have no date or wed cert)
sorry Im not a lot of help
Val