Genealogy Chat

Hi,

I cant find a marriage between George Roberts and Ellen Leek, the eldest child Ellen was born in 1874 Birmingham, i cant get back no further as George has put his birth in Birmingham and Redditch in some of the census. I think i found Ellen in the census but not living with her family. So i can't order birth certs for them without the marriage cert to get their fathers name.

How would you go about it.

Thank you for reading this.

Regards Zena

You look on freebmd for the marriage - using th eldest childs year of birth, look back a year or so. If its isnt there, then move forward as they may marry many years after the birth.

I take it you have the childs birth cert to have the mothers maiden name?

Hi Christine and Heather,

I have looked on Free BMD and find my past.

I have searched from 1865 until 1901 as Ellen was a widow on the 1901 census.

I do think it is Birmingham where they could of got married.

I just dont know what else to do to get back further.

I have the birth cert for 2 of the children and mother was Ellen Leek.

Thank you.

Regards Zena

Of course, it may be they just never married.

hi was ellen married before as on my nan's birth certificate it has her mothers maiden name down as one thing and it took weeks of searching, it turned out this was her married name to her first hubbie and not her actual surname

Zena Hello, I have found a marriage of a Ellen Elizabeth Leek, Apl/June 1891 West Bromwich registration district 6b ?97 (now this is what has caused the mess-up) I cannot find who the bridegroom was as there appears to be a mistake in the page number of the reg. dist. When I put in Roberts, George the only George Roberts that appear are not the ones that correspond with this lady. You could take a chance and send for the marriage cert. of Apl/June 1891 of Ellen Elizabeth Leek, IF IT IS NOT TO GEO. ROBERTS THEN THEY WILL NOT SEND IT TO YOU, BUT REMEMBER TO TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A MARRIAGE TO A GEO. ROBERTS. You can send to The Register Office, Highfields, High St. West Bromwich B70 8RJ. enclose £7 cheque (which should be returned if the marriage turns out not to be to a Geo. Roberts) and a stamped self-addressed envelope and your telephone number in case of query.

Hi Whitenancy,

I will have a look at that one on the other census George has put his birthplace has Birmingham or Redditch.

Heather i think you could well be right.

Christine i have seen that one and thought it could of been until got the birth certs of 2 of there children, i even looked for a Ellen Leek marrying a Freeman but no luck.

Thank you all

Regards Zena

Sorry Zena, it looks like I got the wrong Ellen, I thought the Ellen you spoke about as born 1874 was to be the one that got married. I see now. So sorry

M

They were keen on the name Ellen/Helena werent they!

1881

Ellen Roberts 28
Ellen Roberts 7
George Roberts 28
Helena Roberts 1
Julia Roberts 3

What do you reckon?

Name: Ellen Leek
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67 1/2
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Cope 33
George Francis Cope 34
Ellen Leek 8

Ellen Leek
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 234 (click to see others on page)

Name: Ellen Elizabeth Leek
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 162 (click to see others on page)

The girl born July/sept 1852 would be 8 years old in 1861when the census was taken. But that may be her marriage above with no groom shown.

i thought you might be intersted
george roberts
ellen freeman
4th quarter 1874 birmingham 6d 50

Thank you Marrilyn for trying for me.

Heather yes you are right and a gap between Ellen and my gr gr grandmother Julia.

So i thought Ellen could of been married before, i think i might order Ellen's birth cert and take a gamble i already have Julia's and Esther birth, but clutching at straws anythink is worth a try.

Thank you all.

Zena

Hi Heather,

That Ellen in the 1861 census is the one i thought she was, and in the 1871 census she is using the surname Cope.

I think i will try the 1854 birth and get the cert, but without fathers name you will never be sure.

Thank you

Zena

Ellen Elizabeth Leek married Richard Parsons in 1872. There's a death the following year for Ellen Elizabeth Parsons age 20.

Rose

Thank you Rose,

I will order the birth cert for Ellen Leek in 1854 see if that will give any clues to why Ellen was living with the Cope family in th 1861 and 71 census.

Thank you all for helping me out on this.

Kind Regards Zena

The Ellen Leek in 1892 married Thomas Mossom.

Rose

Oh poor zena, what a quandry. Get the birth cert and see if it helps :) May be George was married twice?

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sorry confused (daft blonde)lol
how would goerge marring twice change ellens surname? surley georges name would stay the same
mellie

Thanks for your help Heather much appreciated.

Mellie i cant find George and Ellen Leek marriage but if George married before it would give me George fathers name.

A the 1st child was born in 1874 and the next 1878 it is a possibilty he could of married before i need to get the 1st childs birth cert to prove or disprove it.

Hope that makes sense.

Regards Zena