Genealogy Chat

Hi everyone, just got back for a few days R&R and two of the certificates have arrived, William A is William Arthur Howells and not William Albert so not the right one, the one for Gwendoline Irene Robinson, gives her address still as 169 Newport Rd Cardiff ( this is where she died) a retired school teacher her death was registered by Phillip John Tom who lived 17 Cowbridge rd East Cardiff , I have looked at some details for him and found he died 2002 it gave is DOB so I looked that up thinking that he may have a Howells connection that way but cant seem to see one in that direction, I looked up Phillip Tom on here and found three people who have put him down as a relative and so have mailed them all, I am also going to try and get into the central library in Cardiff and look through the newspapers and see what the obituaries say,

Will let you know if I manage to get in there today

Pam

Thanks again guys and gals for all your help, yes she is Mabel Jane Howells and I sent for her birth certificate today, I am also waiting for the two certificates the death of William A and also for Gwendoline Robinson who was the informant on Florence Howells death , I am hoping that I will get the two certificates in the morning before I go away for a few days and I should get Mabel's sometime next week.

I really appresciate all your help I have hurt my neck and so find it difficult to look at a computor screen for a long time, hopefully a visit to the doctor in the morning after more x rays should help put it right.

Have a good holiday
Pam XX

Again thanks you super people

Hi Steph Sorry, it did get a bit confusing didn't it. Pam seemed so sure that Mabel was born 1st quarter 1893 that I thought she must have the cert but if she hasn't I would go for the Oct-Dec 1893 in Cardiff Ref 11a 315. As you say, that would fit in with the death you found. She is just Mabel as well and most of the others have a second name. Chrissie Off to bed now

Hi Chrissie, Gosh I got so confused when I first read what you said. But know I understand and maybe the death I found was correct because like you I was thinking Mabel was born in April, so the one I found with the December birth date could be her. Is Pam going to send off for her certificate I wonder? Steph

I've just had a thought Pam. Do you know for sure that Mabel was born in Jan-March 1893? Have you actually got the birth cert? Or could it possibly be the Death that Steph found who was born in Oct- Dec? Bear in mind that the one registered Oct-Dec could have been born in September and registered in the following quarter.

Thanks Reg. I wonder if she is the Mabel Jane then?

I think that the poster was saying that Mabel's birth was 1st qtr.........although it didn't look like that.......it looked like 1st April............ Reg

Well, there's something wrong somewhere Pam. I have just checked for a death of Mabel from 1977 (after the dates that Steph had checked) right up to 2005 and I can't find her. So either:- 1 - We have missed her. 2 - She married. 3 - Her birth was a different date from what you thought. 4 - She has been mistranscribed 5 - She had a middle name 6 - She is still alive and is now 114 years old:) I did find some interesting facts along the way. For instance, in July-Sept 1913 a Mabel Howells married a Frederick Howells in Pontardawe. Cousins maybe? Chrissie Must go and get some ironing done:))

Hi Pam I have just been trying to solve this Mabel puzzle. You say that she was born 1/4/1893 but there is no Mabel Registered for that quarter. There is a Mabel Jane Registered Jan-March quarter in Cardiff and the ref is the same as the one you quoted - 11a 284. Did your Mabel have a second name? There is also a Mabel Evelyn Howells death - again Jan-March in Cardiff 11a 306 The only other one in 1893 is in the Oct- Dec quarter but she has been listed as Mabel Howell (no S). I wonder if this one never married either and is the death that Steph found? Chrissie

Thanks so much for all you have done to help me find the family and sorry I have not got back to you both as I have been away for a few days. I have Mabel's birth as 1/4 1893 Cardiff 11a 284, I also have Florence's death certificate which was registered by her friend Gwendoline Irene Robinson the notice in the South Wales Echo says On May 14th(1975) Flossie of 169 Newport Rd (Cardiff) beloved sister of Mab's and the late Billy dear friend of Rene Robinson Resting at Roath Court Funeral Home until the service in the chapel at noon afterwards at Cathays Cemetery. The one for her mother said On June 25th at her residence Ada dearly loved mother of Flossie, Mabel and Billy Howells. Funeral private 2.15 Wednesday next. Through this I know Billy is alive at that time but died before Florence, I have sent for a certificate of the one William A Howells you so kindly found and also one for Rene Robinson as she was still living at 169 Newport Rd after Florence's death so maybe that will give me a lead. Thanks for all your help, will let you know what they show Thanks Pam XX

I'm confused Steph. Do we know what month Mabel was born then? Mind you, I've had a look for Mabel born December (probably be in the Jan quarter) and there isn't one in Dec and the only one in Jan is Mabel Evelyn Howells born in Cardiff. So wrong middle name.

My eyes are giving up. I gt very excited when I found the death of a Mabel Howells in Sept 1976 with a dob 1893. Unfortunately it was December!! Oh well I'll look in again tomorrow. Steph

Pam, Have found this death in Jun Qtr 1941 William A Howells aged 54 District Bedwelty Vol 11a Page 575 It's in Wales and the age is right. Steph

Pam, Have you got the death certificate for Florence? Who was the informant? Steph

This is it:- Florence Howells Age in 1901: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Ada J Gender: Female Where born: Merthyr Civil Parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Dyfrig County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: West Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Corton 28 Ada Day 14 Ann Day 60 Ada J Howells 34 F A Howells 18 Florence Howells 16 Mabel Howells 7 William Howells 14 Annie Japp 40 Manners 35 Alice Pegg 42 Alice Shelden 20 View original image View blank form Save This Record Attach this record to a person in your tree as a source record, or save for later evaluation. Save Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4985; Folio: 155; Page: 75. The father seems to be away but Ada says married.

Hi Chrissie, I don't have the 1901 census but had just found the 1891 census and the brother was shown as C F A Howells aged 9. So presumably he was 19 on your census. Steph Just found a birth for Charles Frederick A Howells in Cardiff Mar Qtr 1882.

Sorry Steph, I didn't put all the 1901 info on because I assumed that Pam had already got it. I found the family in Wales and Florence was there too.

Hi Pam, I must stop coming on here late at night. You answered Chrissie that the F A Howells on the 1901 Census was the brother that died in India. If that is the case where is Florence? This brother that died in India, was he there on his own? What was his name? Anyway I'm now off to see what I can see, if anything. Steph

Have just phoned the wonderful bereavement services at Thornhil Cardiff and asked them and no luck they dont have them and they can search the records they have from approx 1912 to present day except for church grave yards. The lady there is so nice and so helpful she is always willing to look Pam

So sorry said I was tired and confused, Hi Chrissie Yes that the right family and he is the F A Howells of that 1901 and that's William and Mabel HI Steph Sorry to confuse you, you are right Florence never married she was a school teacher and prior to WW! I think teachers had to give up if they married. Ada Jane was the mother and she had previously been married to Arthur Howells of Abergavenny and I made a mistake she died 25th June 1931. Mabel is 1893 and William is 1886. I dont know if they continued to live in Wales I have just been spending hours and hours going through the Marriage and Death index. Many thanks to the both of you and if any other kind person can throw me an idea where to go next THANKS Pam XX