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I have just started my grandfathers George Edward Turner/Rushtons side of the family tree and have come to a brick wall already. All i know is that his mother was Lilian marie Rushton born :05/05/1910 in dawley, Shrops. Her Mothers name was Maria Dunn? Born around 1870-80. Maria's first marriage was to a Bernard Rushton this must have been Lilian's father. Then her second marriage was to a unknown Hayward she was around 70 years of age at this marriage. it is believed maria had around 13 children and believe some of them were named Sunny, Emma, Rhia, Lilian (above), Martha others are unknown- We know that martha had a daughter Janet Hickman (Married surname). Can anyone give me any advice of where i should be looking etc. Would really appreciate a little direction. Thanks Laura

Wow, too many names! The first thing to do is start with what you do know and work backwards. You have a date of birth so you can look up the reference and buy the birth certificate - that will give you the parents names and then you can look for their marriage and get their fathers names and so on. So, go one step at a time, find out the reference for the birth you are sure of and get a certificate. As a newbie, you may want to look on the homepage, New to GR which gives a run down of researching. Good luck.

I think I would apply for Lilian's birth certificate. you will then be absolutely sure who her father was and be certain of her mother's maiden name. Then you should be able to find both mum and dad on the 1901 census. With any luck you can then go backwards fron there. Alice

Snap ! Great minds in Norfolk work alike Heather! Alice

Thanks Heather. Tell me about it!!! All these names are confusing me and i am starting to wonder if i am ,who thay say i am. Thanks for you advice i will certainly have a go.

Thank You to you also Alice, it must be great knowing exactly what your doing. Hope i will eventually get the know how like everyone else. Thanks Again.

Start with yourself and your parents and work backwards. Record all the info you have and where you got it from. This stops you dong the same information x2. AS you work backwards you will find things may not all fit into place, but don't worry, there are always people on this site who are willing to help with most problems even difficult ones. The further back you go don't forget you get another of parents and grandparents etc etc etc. It can be a very time consuming hobby but very rewarding. Dont go to far too quick, get all the advice that you can and try different ways of finding the information. I have been doing it for about 2 years and have got back to 1659, on some name and branches but on others I have only got back to my great grandparents 1885, and have reached a complete blank. Enjoy the hard times and relish the help and support from people on this site, they are very helpful. If you don't understand something ask someone to explain it, most are only too willing to help YOurs miriam

Ive had a quick look and cant see a Bernard Rushton of right age in right place, hang on a sec and I will see what I can find on the census for you. 1881: Is this a possible, just the initial B. I take it he was from Shropshire? Alice Rushton abt 1839 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Wife Shifnal Alice Rushton abt 1868 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Daughter Shifnal Ann Rushton abt 1881 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Daughter Shifnal B.T. Rushton abt 1877 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Son Shifnal Eliz Rushton abt 1875 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Daughter Shifnal Jabez Rushton abt 1865 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Son Shifnal John Rushton abt 1839 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Head Shifnal John Rushton abt 1861 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Son Shifnal Willie Rushton abt 1871 Shifnal Parish Of, Shropshire, England Son Shifnal Whats interesting is in the same village there is a 28 year old Maria Dunn working as a domestic servant - possible mum for your Maria? Any idea when Bernard and Maria married and where?

It could well be, i will have to check it out a little more. Thank you so much for your help you have been very kind. Thanks Again Laura

No, nobody seems to know anymore than what i have already. I think i am going to have problems already. Your findings have been a great help and maybe the maria dunn you found also was her mother was her mother.

Laura, I cant find a pair that fits. You are absolutely sure his name was Bernard? I can find a 30 year old Maria Rushton married to a Robert Rushton in 1901 or a Mary Rushton in Shifnal where the above lot where but her husband isnt a Bernard. Of course doesnt mean they arent there just not where I am sleepily looking! Most of us have a sub with ancestry which is £70 a year and allows access 24/7 to part 1851/sample,1871,1881,1891 and 1901 censuses. You can pay to view thte 1861 on 1837online - ancestry is supposed to have it on there in May. There is FreeBmd where you can look up births, marriages and deaths but they are not yet complete records and may not be for some years and volunteers are transcribing them. On familysearch website you have free access to incomplete bmd and also the 1881 census. Why dont you go to the familysearch site now (if you are still awake) and have a go at finding these two on the 1881 census when Maria would be what 1-11 years old and Bernard the same? It will be good practice for you to try out the 1881 and look at the other features on a free site first. Sorry I couldnt find them. Probably it will be best for you to start getting certificates because that is the only way to be sure and satisfied your research is 100%

In 1891 in Shropshire, the only 3: Rushton, Maria 24 Shifnal, Shropshire / Salop Servant Bushbury Staffordshire Rushton, Maria 30 Clunbury, Shropshire / Salop Wife Wolstanton Staffordshire Rushton, Maria M 16 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Daughter Dawley Magna Shropshire (This one right place, right name, wrong age? to be married to Bernard) Anyway, this is the rest of the HUGE family which you may want to keep for a while in case you find a connection later: 1891 England Census Viewing records 1-30 of 30 matches « Global Search Results Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Arthur 44 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Head Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Arthur 18 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Eliza O 5 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Daughter Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, George W 19 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Harriet 3 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Daughter Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Jabez 12 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, James 8 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, John 13 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Joseph 17 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Maria M 16 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Daughter Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Mat 14 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Pomila 44 Wellington, Shropshire / Salop Wife Dawley Magna Shropshire Rushton, Richard L 6 Dawley, Shropshire / Salop Son Dawley Magna Shropshire This Maria Rushton must be connected to the above lot from the 1871 census: Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Frederick Deakin 9 Dawley, Shropshire, England Grandson Dawley Shropshire Adam Rushton 15 Dawley, Shropshire, England Son Dawley Shropshire Arthur Rushton 12 Ketley, Shropshire, England Son Dawley Shropshire John Rushton 13 Dawley, Shropshire, England Son Dawley Shropshire Maria Rushton 53 Dawley, Shropshire, England Wife Dawley Shropshire Mark Rushton 55 Wombridge, Shropshire, England Head Dawley Shropshire Mark Rushton 17 Swinton, Yorkshire, England Son Dawley Shropshire Noah Rushton 2 months Dawley, Shropshire, England Grandson Dawley Shropshire Pember Rushton 22 Dawley, Shropshire, England Daughter-in-law Dawley Shropshire Sophia Rushton 9 Dawley, Shropshire, England Daughter Dawley Shropshire Perhaps its me feeling too dopey tonight, but I have to say I cannot find a Maria Dunn right age. Are you sure that Maria actually married a Bernard Rushton? Or was that her maiden name? Night for now, hope someone may come up with something better for you!

Hi Heather, Thank you so much for all of your info it would have taken me so long just to find all of what you have found. It certainly looks a bit strange i think i am going to have to ask my grandfather a few more questions and hopefully will be able to work this out. He seemed certain enough but then again things always turn up when doing this sort of research don't they, or so i've heard. Anyway i will certainly use all of your superb advice and again i would like to Thank You so much for helping me.

Hi, Im pretty much a newbie myself, been doing this only a year. The biggest lesson Ive learnt is dont take short cuts, its not worth it and be prepared to pay for your research by getting subs and paying to look up birth, marriage and death references and buying certificates - it is much more satisfying in the long run. Yes, you do get a lot of shocks, Im back to 1550 on dads side but its the nearer people that shock you. Just found out last week my grandad was married before he married my nan. My aunt totally refused to believe me until I showed her the image of the certificate! Good luck.

Hi Laura could not find a birth registration for Lilian M Rushton April - June quarter of 1910 but found one for July - Sept quarter 1910 Lilian M Rushton Wolverhampton 6b 555. If she was born in the May normaly they register the birth upto one month later. As there isnt one for May June 1910 this has to be her also the registration district is Wolverhampton Staffordshire so the family had to be living in the area. the 6b 555 is the number you need for her birth certificate. Colette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I have nudged this up the board laura, in case you missed the replies.................once a page on the board is full you can find your *threads*(messages) by typing in the text box .*help for a beginner*, this will bring up all related messages. OR you can go through page by page, but! that's time consuming. It's daunting when you first start........just take a step at a time. Ann

Thanks Aann, could you please tell me how i nudge myself up the board. Everyone is doing it and i don't know how. Many Thanks Laura

I know this sounds patronising but just click on 'add reply' and type in ...Nudge. It sounds so obvious ! Once the message has moved up.......go to your *nudge* message + delete it.

laura, I appreciate that someone has told you how to keep your thread at the top of a page, but why does it need to be there? There is quite a bit of info on the thread - what is it that you want to know or someone to do for (or with) you? Jess x

1851 on ancestry????