Genealogy Chat

TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED ME IN MY QUEST LUCY HARDMAN WAS HIS MUM AND EDWIN RODDS WAS HIS DAD SO HOW COME IT HAS HIS DAD AS FREDERICK RODDS DECEASED ON MARRIAGE CERT ANGIE XXX

THE BIRTH CERT IS NOT FROM ORIGINAL FILM AND IT SAYS IT A COPY FROM CHRISTCHURCH IM WONDERING IF EDWIN AND LUCY ADOPTED FREDERICK IT ALL SEEMS A BIT SUSS TO ME WHEN I WAS ADOPTED I HAD COPY LIKE THE ONE IM LOOKING AT NOW HUGS ANGIE XX

Hi Angie, He probably knew his Dad as Fred and gave the name Frederick to the registrar..... unwittingly. I have a handful of certs which give incorrect names, Maybe Edwin's middle name was Frederick ? .... or Edwin was simply known by the name Fred .... I would firstly find the Death cert for the Father and see what name he's actually given on that, and who by !

There was no such thing a adoption, as we know it, until 1927. I should think his parents are those on the birth cert and he just made a mistake on his marriage cert, or he misunderstood what he was being asked, or a hundred-and-one other possiblilities. Don't forget, people were far more in awe of authority in those days than today - if Frederick realised a mistake had been made on the marriage cert, even at the time, he may have been too embarrassed to say anything (esp if the vicar was the one making the error!!) So, in 1881 we have the right census family....but that are missing after that?? Right?? Merry

Hi Dancer! The Rodds is a LONG saga.....there are very few GRO refs for the name at all between 1866 and 1920 (from Family Relatives) and none for either of Fred jr's parents (though they may have lived longer, of course). Angela has all the GRO stuff on another thread. Also none of them appear on a census after 1881!! Merry

Angie - is the marriage certificate a photocopy / print of the original, or is it a copied-out one? If it has been copied out at least once, it could be that somebody copied the father's name out wrong. If it was a church wedding, perhaps you can get a look at the original parish register to see what it says in there; if a register office wedding, you may be able to get a copy of the original from the register office to check what it says. But also he may just have given the wrong name or it was written down wrong in the first place. Kate.

Angela, Not sure what you mean by a ''Copy from Christchurch''??? Merry

I've just realised that although I got all the births and marriage entries 1866-1920, I only looked for the specific names for his parents deaths, so..........I just checked Family Relatives, but there are five matches for Rodds with any first name. As there are five matches on FreeBMD, I'm assuming they are the same five........ Deaths Dec 1866 RODDS John 73 Chertsey 2a 13 Deaths Jun 1873 Rodds Hannah 74 Blaby 7a 24 Deaths Mar 1891 RODDS Hannah 68 Blaby 7a 42 Deaths Mar 1907 RODDS Ellen 82 Blaby 7a 38 Deaths Jun 1910 Rodds Sidney Frederick 0 Aston 6d 137 Merry

For those who haven't seen the other threads, here is Fred and parents in 1881: Edwin RODDS Head M Male 22 Islington Baker Lucy Hardman RODDS Wife M Female 21 Morsley Birmingham Frederick RODDS Son Male 3 m Leicester, England living at Kettering, Northamptonshire. Edwin is a Baker. Lucy and Edwin married in 1880 in Birmingham. They don't seem to have had any more children after Fred (no Birth reg's) After the above, they vanish, until Fred gets married. Angela - who are the marriage witnesses?? Merry

Here's a possible scenario. The person registering the birth was asked the question Father's name? and replied with the name of their own father, Edwin, and the registrar added Rodd himself Beth :)

thank you all for your tips the marriage was in a registry office as i think she was pregnant with sydney frederick rodds as he was born and died the same year they were married 1910 we never did find a death for edwin or lucy but as you say they probly lived after 1920 when i get some credits on 1837 will look for both deaths shouldnt be to hard to find with such unusuall names i still have thread with all the details every one has helped me with and im in your debt for eternity lol hugs angie xx

so next step to look for a frederick or edwin rodds who died befor 1910 mmmmmmmmm wish me luck lol hugs angie xx

I realise RODDS is the sort of name that might easily be subject to mistranscription, but even so, I was surprised to see there are 21 Rodds on the Nat Archives 1901 census and only 5 on Ancestry 1901!!! Merry

Ooooh Angela, what was Fred's occupation when he married?? Merry

the wittnesses to the marriage are george whitehouse and elsie jones they married at kings norton registry office frederick was 28 and ada roberts was 20 adas father is named as charles william roberts a lobourer at tin works frederick lived at 2 back of 42 laurel place,alfred street,balsall heath ada lived 74 mole street,sparkbrook angie xx

frederick was a window cleaner i know this is my frederick as i have records of him dying in the great war in 1915 and it said his wife was ada and the address was correct.he doesnt have a grave but is on the memorial at the meni gate hugs angie

on the piece of paper they send with the certs its writen in in pencil that its a copy from christ church not sure what this means the marriage cert is from original film but birth cert is an up todate copy on paper that birth certs are registered on these days if that makes any sence angie xx

could this family be lucys brother as lucy was born in moseley 1881 census alfred hardman 1855 moseley head alfred w hardman 1879 moseley son eliza hardman 1854 bridgeworth wife george hardman 1880 moseley son lucy e hardman 1878 moseley daughter marry j hardman 1876 moseley daughter

I think that could well be her brother, as in 1861 this was the only sensibly Lucy I can find and her brother fits! Note the change of birth place, but despite being a different county i think Yardley is close to Birmingham. >>>>Alfred Hardman abt 1855 Yardley, Worcestershire, England Son Yardley Worcestershire Edward Hardman abt 1829 Widdington, Staffordshire, England Brother Yardley Worcestershire Eliza Ann Hardman abt 1857 Yardley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Yardley Worcestershire Emily Hardman abt 1853 Yardley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Yardley Worcestershire Frederick Hardman abt 1825 Fradley, Staffordshire, England Head Yardley Worcestershire Jane Hardman abt 1826 Wallington, Shropshire, England Wife Yardley Worcestershire >>>>>Lucy Jane Hardman abt 1860 Yardley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Yardley Worcestershire Also, if this is right, then Frederick Rodds was named for his grandfather, Frederick Hardman!! Merry

just realized frederick born jan 1881 lucy and edwin married dec 1880 blimey she was nearly givin birth at the alter lol