Genealogy Chat

Hi please see first message Thanxs Lesley :~)

Hi Marriage cert says DATE: 23 Nov 1896 Wife: Annie Morgan age 29 Husband: Albert James Owen age 34 OCC: Gun Maker. At time of Marriage Lived at 34 Empire or Engine St Glanford Brigg Lincs Her Father Edwin Morgan OCC: Quarry Man His Father William Owen OCC; Painter They All originate from Shropshire. Both me and my Mother have searched in vain for this family Trying to find Annie with her Father Edwin on census's and find her Birth info...Not knowing who the mother is... My Mum has been in touch with a distant relly who does look ups for her and he has given my mum the 1881 details Shropshire for Ann with father Edwin / Edward b:abt 1837 and Mother Ann & Several Siblings....How do we know if this is OUR Annie..or dont we? We then looked on LDS and found the family on Ancestral File. Giving lots more info for family.. Without knowing or being able to find Annie / Anne / Ann Birth info can we assume this is OUR Annie on LDS After looking myself on Census's and not being able to narrow it down whats the next step? Any help greatly recieved Thanxs Lesley going Loopier :~)

Right, you are trying to find bride before her marriage. Marriage 23 Nov 1896 Annie Morgan age 29 At time of Marriage Lived at 34 Empire or Engine St Glanford Brigg Lincs Father Edwin Morgan OCC: Quarry Man So you need to be able to verify previous census info and stuff you've found on ancestral file? OK. In my experience, personal submissions on ancestral file can be accurate or complete tosh. If it gives any references, you can check them out, but I'd be wary of any information with no indication of where it came from. I will take a deco for Annie in pre-1881 censuses. nell

You could find Annie on 1901 census and get her birthplace from there and then look for her birth cert. I have to go as son needs to do homework but I will see if I can check back later. nell

Thanx sNell It might just be Im looking so hard I cant narrow it down... They all B; Shropshire On LDS is states Born Little Wenlock Shropshire & Dawley Shropshire I will look on 1901 for her. Thanxs Lesley :~)

is this them on 1871? 1871 England Census View Record Edward Lewis abt 1823 Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England Lodger Great Dawley Shropshire View Record Ann Morgan abt 1833 Little Wenlock, Shropshire, England Wife Great Dawley Shropshire View Record Ann Morgan abt 1871 Dawley, Shropshire, England Daughter Great Dawley Shropshire View Record Edwin Morgan abt 1835 Head Great Dawley Shropshire View Record Elizabeth Morgan abt 1859 Little Wenlock, Shropshire, England Daughter Great Dawley Shropshire View Record Ellen Morgan abt 1863 Little Wenlock, Shropshire, England Daughter Great Dawley Shropshire View Record Richard Morgan abt 1865 Dawley, Shropshire, England Son Great Dawley Shropshire View Record Thomas Morgan abt 1861 Little Wenlock, Shropshire, England Son Great Dawley Shropshire and 1881 1881 England Census View Record Ann Morgan abt 1834 Lawley, Shropshire, England Wife Lt Wenlock Shropshire View Record Anne Morgan abt 1870 Dawley, Shropshire, England Daughter Lt Wenlock Shropshire View Record Edwin Morgan abt 1837 Piclescot, Shropshire, England Head Lt Wenlock Shropshire View Record Martha Morgan abt 1877 Lawley, Shropshire, England Daughter Lt Wenlock Shropshire View Record Richard Morgan abt 1866 Dawley, Shropshire, England Son Lt Wenlock Shropshire View Record Rosetta Morgan abt 1874 Lawley, Shropshire, England Daughter Lt Wenlock Shropsh

I have got 1901 census for Ann & Albert I know this is right Family This is My Mums Grandmother.... Name: Anner Owen Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Wife Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Doddington, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Source information: RG13/3355 Registration district: Nantwich Sub-registration district: Crewe ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 103 Page: 23 Household schedule number: 160 But cant find a birth for her in Doddington. that is why we have struggled.. Lesley :~)

Yes Teresa Thank you That is the Family given to my mum from distant relly....when she asked him to find Edwin with Daughter Annie But how do we know it is OUR Ann that married Albert James Owen.... That is where I am stuck Lesley :~)

Got to pop out But will be back soon and check if any one has been able to solve the mystery Thanxs Lelsey :~)

Does the marriage certificate give witnesses?

Yes Annie But we dont know them....no relation Lesley :~)

Hi Lesley the witnesses can sometimes be a very good confirmation. I was able to confirm the link to one family from the witnesses, it turns out the female i didnt know was actually the brides sister who married. Doesnt always work out like that though unfortunately!

Hi Info just got off my mum the Witnesses on cert are Fred Heave & Gertrude Cranmer as far as we know they are not in family anywhere YET .... Lesley :~)

The only thing ive found so far is Gertrudes maiden name was Allt, and was from Yorkshire. The Edwin Morgan you have found also lived in Yorkshire in 1891. Very loose connection!

Hi Can I ask how on earth did you find the info for Gertrude? Yes Edwin died in Hoyland Common In yorkshire in 1894 according to Ancestral file on LDS..... Mums not sure now if this is the right family as 3 of the kids moved abroad on LDS info and she doesnt remember anybody mentioning that...so she is having doubts AGAIN.. If only we could find Ann's Birth in Doddington..... So Stuck and frustrated with this part of the family..... Lesley :~)

I have done a LOT of research for the Dawley area and the IGI is pretty spot on if you makes sure that you use the Parish Records (Batch Numbers start C or M usually). The coverage for the area is really good. could Doddington be Donnington? There are two places called Donnington near Dawley but it usually refers to donnington Wood which is part of Lilleshall, Shifnal is the reg. district.

Hi Lesley I looked for Gertrude Cranmer on the census, quite an unusual name so there were only 2 and one was too young. Then looked for the marriage cert info for the husband around the time of the first child and there he was with a Gertrude. I cant find Fred anywhere! on 1891, there are still a few of the children at home. How did you find out they had moved abroad?

Hi thanxs for info Helen :~) On LDS site we typed in the info given to my mum regarding 1881 census and found Edwin / Edward and family on Ancestral File with lots of Family dates.....Including daughter ANN b:1870 and some siblings....3 of which it says moved and died abroad. 2 In Vancouver and 1 in Alberta. Mum has never been told about rellies going abroad so she is doubting if this is OUR bunch.... HELP Lesley :~)

Helen I have looked again on LDS site and all the different info IGI..Pedigree...Ancestral... all tallies with 1881 census info..... Mum got really excited when she saw PEDIGREE....does this mean anything special? We also thought about Doddington Being Donnington but have not got a clue....? Lesley :~)

There is also this Gertrude Cranmer who married shortly after Annie Na Abert who seems to be ib the right area. Marriages Jun 1897 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cranmer Gertrude Glanford B. 7a 1715 Thorpe Edmund Glanford B. 7a 1715 1901 England Census – living 76 Manley Gdns - Hawker Ellen Love abt 1885 East Dereham, Norfolk, England Visitor Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire Annie Thorpe abt 1900 Brigg, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire Edmund Thorpe Jr. abt 1873 Brigg, Lincolnshire, England Head Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire Gertrude Thorpe abt 1876 East Dereham, Norfolk, England Wife Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire Gladys Thorpe abt 1899 Brigg, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire