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Hi, I think this is going to be like looking for a needle in a haystack but am hoping there might be someone who can assist please although there is not too much to go on.

On 1 May an Agnes McNamee is admitted to the Workhouse in Enniskillen. She is given as being single, aged 24, Servant and RC. Her address previous to admission was in Clogher (no actual address). I take it that she was born circa 1894.

She is admitted with her daughter, also Agnes McNamee, aged 3, residence previous to admission is Clogher. I take it that she born circa 1915. This child was illegitimate.

They were discharged 17 July 1918.

Am desperately searching for their births but have hit my head against a brick wall. As I am not sure if they were born in Clogher and I am not familiar with the district names nearby I have nothing else to go on. I have tried the 1901 and 1911 Census but haven't come across anything for Agnes Snr. Perhaps another few pairs of eyes might yield something. Sorry, as above, I expect this is like looking for a needle in a haystack but you never know.

I'm afraid I don't have any other information to go on.

Any help would be much appreciated if at all possible.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Possible,? from this site:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/search/birth


Registration numberforename of childSurname of childDate of birthSex of childMother's maiden name
Registration district

U/1894/52/1007/62/368 Agnes McNamee 9th December 1893 Female Owens Belfast(pre-1973 Q4)

You can search BMD for NI on above site but only births more than 100 years age, Marriages - 75 and deaths 50, so Agnes jnr, if b1915, won't be there.

A possible marriage for the parents of the above Agnes:

M/1893/B1/418/81/180 David McNamee Owens 6th October 1893 Belfast
M/1893/B1/418/81/180 Elizabeth Owens McNamee 6th October 1893 Belfast

You would have to buy credits to see the image of the original entries.

Thank you Potty. Will check that one out. I take it that was the only Agnes McNamee born around that time?

Kind regards

Kathryn

It's the only one between 1891 & 1895 - you can only search in 5 year ranges on that site.

Yes, I just went onto that site and registered. As you say you have to buy credits so will do what I can. Thank you for your help.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Searching is free, though. I would advise you not to go for the Enhanced Records, they give very little more info than in the search results whereas the Full brings up images of the original entries.

Thanks again Potty. Will have another look now.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Potty, sorry to be a pain. Just went back onto that site and entered the name and year range and it is telling me to buy credits.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Kathryn, do you know anything about the 2 Agnesses after they left the Workhouse?

Unfortunately not. As before, I knew it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. I have just been looking at the censuses for David, Elizabeth and Agnes but there is nothing. There was another daughter born illegitimately in May 1918 in the Workhouse in Enniskillen, Rachel. I have managed to trace her, she ends up in England. Her birth was shown on the familysearch.org site but am totally stumped with both Agnesses.

Kind regards

Kathryn

It looks as if you have to have some credits to be able to view the results, even though no credits are used for this. Had a couple of credits left so looked at the Enhanced view for the birth and marriage and now it won't let me look at any search results without buying more credits. Will post the birth and marriage below


Registration number
U/1894/52/1007/62/368

Registration district Belfast(pre-1973 Q4)
Registration sub-district Belfast Urban 6
Child details
Surname of child McNamee
Forename(s) of child Agnes Amilia
Date of birth 9th December 1893
Sex of child Female
District of birth Belfast(pre-1973 Q4)
Mother detailsForename and surname of mother
Lizzie McNamee
Mother's maiden surname Owens
Father details
Forename and surname of father
David McNamee
Registration details
Registration number


M/1893/B1/418/81/180
Registration district Belfast
Place of marriage
St Annes Cathedral Church of Ireland
Date of marriage 6th October 1893
Groom details
Forename 1 of groom David
Surname of groom McNamee
Age at marriage of groom 22
Bride details
Forename 1 of bride Elizabeth
Surname of bride Owens
Age at marriage of bride 21

I am pretty sure St Anne's Cathedral is Protestant and not Catholic, so perhaps not your Agnes's parents.

Thank you so much Potty for your time and help, it is much appreciated. I'll keep looking also and if I come up with anything will post on her.

Kind regards

Kathryn

I am wondering about this one:


Name:Rose Agnes Mc Namee

Gender:Female

Age:7

BirthYear abt 1894
Relation to Head:Daughter
Residence Date:31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street:Dunwiley
District:Stranorlar
County:Donegal

Edward Mc Namee 58
Anne Mc Namee 50
Edward Mc Namee 21
Susan Mc Namee 17
John Mc Namee 12
Rose Agnes Mc Namee 7

This her going to America - she has dropped the Rose but the address given is the same as in the census; she is a housemaid:


Name:Agnes McNamee
Gender:Female
Age:25
Birth Date:abt 1896
Departure Date:9 Apr 1921
Port of Departure:Londonderry, Northern Ireland
Destination Port:New York, USA
Ship Name:Columbia
Search Ship Database:Search for the Columbia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:Anchor Line
Official Number:115682
Master:David W Bone

That's interesting, will check this out. Well done you.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Kathryn You don't put the year Agnes was admitted to the Workhouse but I assume its after 1911..the following is the nearest Agnes McNamee I can find who is about right age and occupation....I cannot locate her 1901 but her place of Birth is given as the County Leitrim..1901 Census isn't showing her there but the family could have moved..I don't find her in Dublin prior to 1911


Residents of a house 24 in Newtown Castlebyrn (Stillorgan, Dublin)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
MacDermott Joseph Edward 55 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic County of Dublin Solicitor Can Read and write - Married - 15 4 3
MacDermott Hilda 43 Female Wife Head of Family Roman Catholic England - Can Read and write - Married - - - -
MacDermott Agnes 13 Female Daughter Roman Catholic City of Dublin Scholar Can Read and write - Single - - - -
MacDermott Hilda 11 Female Daughter Roman Catholic City of Dublin Scholar Can Read and write - Single - - - -
Reilly Honor 45 Female Servant Roman Catholic County Cavan Cook-Domestic Servant Can Read and write - Single - - - -
Byrne Eliza Alice 34 Female Servant Roman Catholic County Wicklow Housemaid-Domestic Servant Can Read and write - Single - - - -
Twamley Ellen 37 Female Servant Roman Catholic County Dublin Parlourmaid-Domestic Servant Can Read and write - Single - - - -
****McNamee Agnes 21 Female Servant Roman Catholic single read and write Irish and English b.Co Leitrim*****

Sorry she was admitted in 1918 giving her age as 24, servant and being RC. Thank you for this information and your time spent in finding the same. I am keeping all this information in the hope that at some point the jigsaw will come together. I appreciate that this is a difficult quest. I even bought some credits for rootsIreland to try and search but it hasn't come to anything. As we know quite often ages etc are given correctly just to confuse us even more. I will keep searching as well and will update if I manage to find anything that might fit into the jigsaw. What I can't get my head around is why do we find a person in one census ie the 1911 and they don't appear in the 1901 census even though they are of an age to appear in the same. It's so frustrating. It's certainly not easy searching in Ireland.

Thank you all for your continued help.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Kathryn...Quite often it is a case of detective work and not relying on the "expected" .
How did you obtain her admission details ? The fact she stated she was from Clogher means nothing really as she would need say she was a resident of the area to gain admission its interesting that she didn't stay long ...only a matter of 6 weeks....
How are you "related" ?

Hi. I got them from PRONI. I am researching for my mother in law who was adopted. I have discovered that her mother was Rachel McNamee whose mother was Agnes McNamee and Rachel's sister was Agnes McNamee born circa 1915. Both Rachel and her sister were illegitimate. It has been quite a journey and many hours spent researching but I don't give up easily. Obviously at times I have to ask for help as is now.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Further to my reply yesterday evening, can I just say that I applied to PRONI for the Workhouse Records. I was informed that a 100 year rule applies. I was later contacted by them to say that as there was only three years to go it was decided that they would search and if anything was found they would forward the same to me which is what happened. At least it gave me something else to go on as I hadn't come across a sister for Rachel, I only had her mother's name ie Agnes Snr.

Kind regards

Kathryn