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hi, i have just started to do my family tree , my great grandad is on the 1911, 1901 census ( with his wife) then goes missing for 1891 (ive found his wife with the kids ) , 1881 in the 71 census he is with he grand parents and i cant find him in his first census in 61 .

all ideas would be a great help xx

Jane

We need a name and area to be able to help, Jane.

Can you post a few details for at least one of the census please?

Gwyn

Have you checked dates of birth either side of the expected one?
Have you checked variants of the spelling, or mis spellings?
If you are still stuck, and want someone to look for you, start a thread on 'find ancestors', giving as much info as possible.

Oh, and welcome to the boards!

could have been in some war in 1881 or maybe at sea,what was his job? :-D

HI all , Thanks for all you pointers , and too Lynski who helped me in replying !! The details of great grandad are:

Thomas William Stanley Nelson Ewen ( sometimes Ewens and the Nelson can be in surname and sometimes first name)

Born in 26 Oct 1858 Father Henry Nelson Ewen Mother Elizabeth (davies) guessing that from the 1871 census when he is stated as grandson

Married Sarah (Davies)

Died 1927

on all the census i can find he is Liverpool born and bred , his job is a ships rigger , I haven't got a clue how to find out if he may have been on a ship so any pointers on that would be great .

I have found him under him full name and Thomas WSN Ewens, and Thomas Ewens.
I have just requested his marrage certificate to come in post

Oh while i am rambling how do you find out where relatives are buried ??

Thanks again for all the help and welcomes xxx :-)

For Ref.

1901 England Census
about Thomas N Ewen
Name: Thomas N Ewen
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah N Ewen
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Seaforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Seaforth St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 234
Piece: 3443
Folio: 104
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas N Ewen 42
Sarah N Ewen 40
Jessie N Ewen 14
Herbert N Ewen 12
Lilian N Ewen 10
Sarah N Ewen 8
Clara N Ewen 3
Stanley N Ewen 1

He would be at sea on the missing census if he was a Ships Rigger.

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Henry Orlando Nelson Ewens (Printer)
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 28 Mar 1858
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Southern
Father's Name: Edwin Orlando Ewens
Spouse Father's Name: Thomas Southern



Source Citation: Liverpool Record Office; Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/53.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas William S N Ewens
Name: Thomas William S N Ewens
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 99



Sarah Bryan Jul-Aug-Sep 1883 Liverpool Lancashire

Thomas William S N Ewens

Choccy that is what is on a tree on Ancestry.

What I don't see is if he was with his grandparents on the 1871 census and their name was Davies, how can his parents be Henry Orlando Nelson Ewen and Elizabeth Southern unless she was a widow when she married Henry.

wow thanks for all the help x will have a look in to all the info , think over who is he married to will all be come clear when i get the marriage cert x Any idea how you find out if he was on a ship?

Ancestry has Henry as Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens on his marriage to Elizabeth.The writing in the book definately says Orlando!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens
Name: Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1858
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 236



Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens Jan-Feb-Mar 1858 Liverpool Lancashire

Elizabeth Southern Jan-Feb-Mar 1858 Liverpool Lancashire

another son -

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Edwin Fletcher Ewens
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1862
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1862
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Henry Nelson Ewens (Printer)
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ewens



Source Citation: Liverpool Record Office; Reference Number: 283 PET/2/53.





England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: Edwin Nelson Ewens
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1863
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 112

This is Thomas's birth and if you buy this certificate it will tell you his fahters name and his mothers maiden name.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Thomas William Hanley Nelson Ewens
Name: Thomas William Hanley Nelson Ewens
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1858
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 100

Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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BIRD Philip Liverpool 8b 435
>>>>>Ewens Eliza Liverpool 8b 435
Gilmore Ellen Liverpool 8b 435
>>>>>Llewellyn William Liverpool 8b 435



1871


DAVIES, John Head M 56 1815 Cheshire VIEW
DAVIES, Ann Wife F 59 1812 Westmorland VIEW
>>>>>EWENS, Thomas W S N Grandson M 12 1859 Lancashire VIEW
>>>>>LLEWELLYN, William Son-In-Law M 40 1831 South Wales VIEW
>>>>>LLEWELLYN, Elizabeth Daughter F 31 1840 Lancashire VIEW
STAHL, Theodore A Brother-In-Law M 55 1816 Russia VIEW
STAHL, Elizabeth Sister-In-Law F 54 1817 Westmorland VIEW

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Piece:
3774 Folio:
127 Page:
27 Registration District:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
School Lane, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

1871 England Census
about Thomas W S N Ewens
Name: Thomas W S N Ewens
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 3774
Folio: 127
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
John Davies 56
Ann Davies 59
Thomas W S N Ewens 12
William Llewellyn 40
Elizabeth Llewellyn 31
Theodore A Stahl 55
Elizabeth Stahl 54

Choccy thats what I was looking at before I had to get lunch for the other half.

Thanks for all your help , looking at the 1871 census could that Elizabeth LLewellyn be his mother and his dad died , because i cant find a Henry Nelson Ewen living with an Elizabeth before or after , he never seemed to live with his parents , where are they when he is 2 yrs old on the 1861 !!

I thought i was being clever starting with the Ewens as i live near liverpool think i might need to look on my mums side , while i get use to how you find stuff lol !! :-S

In 1861 they were probably living at 23 Moorfields Street, Liverpool, which is the address given for the burial of Edwin Ewens in 1863. In 1861 the census for 23 Moorfields Street is either lost, destroyed or not transcribed

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Burials, 1813-1974

Name: Edwin Nelson Ewens
Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 11/12
Burial Date: 20 Sep 1863
Parish: Walton Park


address - 23 Moorfields Street, Liverpool