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On FindMyPast they have several entries for Moorfield Street but all even numbers.

I looked on Ancestry by typing in Piece# 2667 and Folio#113 (information which I got from another site) and the only Moorfields Street I saw was, as in FMP, even numbers only. According to the description of the district both sides of the street should have been recorded so I assume this piece is lost.

in 1911 he is working for the Mersey Dock Board


1911

NELSON - EWEN, Thomas Head Married M 52 1859 Surveyors Chainman Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
NELSON - EWEN, Sarah Wife Married
27 years F 50 1861 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
NELSON - EWEN, Jessie Daughter Single F 24 1887 Upholstress Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
NELSON - EWEN, Herbert Son Single M 22 1889 Plumber Bootle Lancashire VIEW
NELSON - EWEN, Sarah Daughter Single F 18 1893 Seaforth Lancashire VIEW
NELSON - EWEN, Clara Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Seaforth Lancashire VIEW
NELSON - EWEN, Stanley Son Single M 11 1900 School Waterloo Lancashire VIEW
NELSON - EWEN, John Leslie Son Single M 5 1906 School Waterloo Lancashire VIEW
OLSEN, Lillian Daughter Married F 20 1891 Seaforth Lancashire VIEW
OLSEN, Hilda Granddaughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Crosby Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22313 Reference:
RG14PN22313 RG78PN1318 RD455 SD1 ED14 SN354

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Crosby Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Waterloo

Address:
1 Carrfield Cottages Waterloo County:
Lancashire

thanks on the Lancashire on line parish there are 3 of the children being Baptized , they all give his job as being around ships on of them is stating "Mariner " is there any where you can look for ships records ?? how do i find out where he is buried ??

In 1861 they were probably living at 23 Moorfields Street, Liverpool, which is the address given for the burial of Edwin Ewens in 1863. In 1861 the census for 23 Moorfields Street is either lost, destroyed or not transcribed

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Burials, 1813-1974

Name: Edwin Nelson Ewens
Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 11/12
Burial Date: 20 Sep 1863
Parish: Walton Park


address - 23 Moorfields Street, Liverpool

Thanks for all your help , looking at the 1871 census could that Elizabeth LLewellyn be his mother and his dad died , because i cant find a Henry Nelson Ewen living with an Elizabeth before or after , he never seemed to live with his parents , where are they when he is 2 yrs old on the 1861 !!

I thought i was being clever starting with the Ewens as i live near liverpool think i might need to look on my mums side , while i get use to how you find stuff lol !! :-S

Choccy thats what I was looking at before I had to get lunch for the other half.

1871 England Census
about Thomas W S N Ewens
Name: Thomas W S N Ewens
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 3774
Folio: 127
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
John Davies 56
Ann Davies 59
Thomas W S N Ewens 12
William Llewellyn 40
Elizabeth Llewellyn 31
Theodore A Stahl 55
Elizabeth Stahl 54

Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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BIRD Philip Liverpool 8b 435
>>>>>Ewens Eliza Liverpool 8b 435
Gilmore Ellen Liverpool 8b 435
>>>>>Llewellyn William Liverpool 8b 435



1871


DAVIES, John Head M 56 1815 Cheshire VIEW
DAVIES, Ann Wife F 59 1812 Westmorland VIEW
>>>>>EWENS, Thomas W S N Grandson M 12 1859 Lancashire VIEW
>>>>>LLEWELLYN, William Son-In-Law M 40 1831 South Wales VIEW
>>>>>LLEWELLYN, Elizabeth Daughter F 31 1840 Lancashire VIEW
STAHL, Theodore A Brother-In-Law M 55 1816 Russia VIEW
STAHL, Elizabeth Sister-In-Law F 54 1817 Westmorland VIEW

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Piece:
3774 Folio:
127 Page:
27 Registration District:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
School Lane, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

This is Thomas's birth and if you buy this certificate it will tell you his fahters name and his mothers maiden name.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Thomas William Hanley Nelson Ewens
Name: Thomas William Hanley Nelson Ewens
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1858
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 100

another son -

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Edwin Fletcher Ewens
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1862
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1862
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Henry Nelson Ewens (Printer)
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ewens



Source Citation: Liverpool Record Office; Reference Number: 283 PET/2/53.





England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: Edwin Nelson Ewens
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1863
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 112

Ancestry has Henry as Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens on his marriage to Elizabeth.The writing in the book definately says Orlando!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens
Name: Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1858
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 236



Henry Fernando Nelson Ewens Jan-Feb-Mar 1858 Liverpool Lancashire

Elizabeth Southern Jan-Feb-Mar 1858 Liverpool Lancashire

wow thanks for all the help x will have a look in to all the info , think over who is he married to will all be come clear when i get the marriage cert x Any idea how you find out if he was on a ship?

What I don't see is if he was with his grandparents on the 1871 census and their name was Davies, how can his parents be Henry Orlando Nelson Ewen and Elizabeth Southern unless she was a widow when she married Henry.

Choccy that is what is on a tree on Ancestry.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas William S N Ewens
Name: Thomas William S N Ewens
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 99



Sarah Bryan Jul-Aug-Sep 1883 Liverpool Lancashire

Thomas William S N Ewens

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Henry Orlando Nelson Ewens (Printer)
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 28 Mar 1858
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Southern
Father's Name: Edwin Orlando Ewens
Spouse Father's Name: Thomas Southern



Source Citation: Liverpool Record Office; Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/53.

He would be at sea on the missing census if he was a Ships Rigger.

For Ref.

1901 England Census
about Thomas N Ewen
Name: Thomas N Ewen
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah N Ewen
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Seaforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Seaforth St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 234
Piece: 3443
Folio: 104
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas N Ewen 42
Sarah N Ewen 40
Jessie N Ewen 14
Herbert N Ewen 12
Lilian N Ewen 10
Sarah N Ewen 8
Clara N Ewen 3
Stanley N Ewen 1

HI all , Thanks for all you pointers , and too Lynski who helped me in replying !! The details of great grandad are:

Thomas William Stanley Nelson Ewen ( sometimes Ewens and the Nelson can be in surname and sometimes first name)

Born in 26 Oct 1858 Father Henry Nelson Ewen Mother Elizabeth (davies) guessing that from the 1871 census when he is stated as grandson

Married Sarah (Davies)

Died 1927

on all the census i can find he is Liverpool born and bred , his job is a ships rigger , I haven't got a clue how to find out if he may have been on a ship so any pointers on that would be great .

I have found him under him full name and Thomas WSN Ewens, and Thomas Ewens.
I have just requested his marrage certificate to come in post

Oh while i am rambling how do you find out where relatives are buried ??

Thanks again for all the help and welcomes xxx :-)

could have been in some war in 1881 or maybe at sea,what was his job? :-D