Genealogy Chat

Could someone please find Samuel Arrowsmith born( 1856) and his wife Nancy ( born 1859 ) in the 1891 and 1901 census returns as I am trying to track down where they were living at these times. They were living At 4 Bury Lane, Culcheth in Lancashire in 1861 and 71 and at a Farm in Lancashire the name of which annoyingly I can't decipher in 1881. In 1891, they would have had two children - Mary Ellen born in1882 and Margaret born in 1886. In 1901, they would have had a third child, Harry, born in 1895. I have all census information from 1861, 1871, 1881(apart from the name of the farm!) and 1911, but Genes site claims no record for 1891 and 1901. This has happened to me before on searches for other family members. Why is this?

1881
ARROWSMITH, Samuel Head Married M 24 1857 Sizer Cotton
Culcheth
Lancashire VIEW
ARROWSMITH, Nancy Wife Married F 22 1859 Farmer Daur
Lowton
Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3803 Folio:
104 Page:
14

Registration District:
Leigh Sub District:
Culcheth Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Bedford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Boarded Barn, Bedford County:
Lancashire

Thank you Maddie, who should be renamed greased lightening! Boarded Barn was the name I couldn't decipher. How come you could!? Much appreciated.

1901
cant' see them in 1891
ARROWSMITH, Samuel Head Married M 44 1857 Agent For Insurance Coy
Glazebury
Lancashire VIEW
ARROWSMITH, Nancy Wife Married F 42 1859
Lowton
Lancashire VIEW
ARROWSMITH, Mary E Daughter Single F 19 1882 General Servant Domestic
Leigh
Lancashire VIEW
ARROWSMITH, Margaret A Daughter Single F 16 1885 General Servant Domestic
Leigh
Lancashire VIEW
ARROWSMITH, Harry Son M 6 1895
Leigh
Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3594 Folio:
202 Page:
31

Registration District:
Leigh Sub District:
Leigh Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Pennington Christ Church

Civil Parish:
Leigh Municipal Borough:
Address:
Gilded Hollins Farm, Leigh County:
Lancashire

i also chech find my past for 1891 but still can't them
sorry
maddie

Flippin' eck!

I'll submit corrections for the names

1891 England Census
about Samuel Awewswolt Name: Samuel Awewswolt
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy Awewswolt
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasbury, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Pennington
Ecclesiastical parish: Pennington Christs Church
Town: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Westleigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3088
Folio: 70
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Awewswolt 34 Insurance Agent
Nancy Awewswolt 32
Mary E Awewswolt 9
Margaret A Awewswolt 6

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3088; Folio 70; Page 42; GSU roll: 6098198.

Andy

Thank you so very much Maddie, you've solved two thirds of my problems for which I'm very grateful. Best wishes from Lynn

nice transcribing
i wonder if they supplied glasses
maddie

Blimey, you people are so quick, I can't type my thank you replies up quick enough. Flippin' eck indeed Andy-where did that name come from!? No wonder I found nothing. The question is, how on earth did you?? You are fast becoming my personal searcher, perhaps I should just address my queries to you directly on the message boards. Seriously though, once again thank you very much.
Now to Colin. You have produced a recognisable English surname and it seems to be the right family but wrong name. What's it all about? There must be an explanation.Presumably you and Andy have viewed two different sites. Could it just be appalling handwriting on the part of the census recorder? Many thanks Colin.

Lynn

Could you please ask for look ups on the find ancestors board in future.

If you would like to read the post at the top of the page which explains

Hi Lynn

Do seem to be getting in on a few of your searches!

If you view the image you can see where the different versions come from. Colin has posted the same family.

Usually when families can't be found on the census records, its because the surname is wrong. In these cases I'll just use forenames. Sometimes gets a long list to search through, but at least it was under 'A' this time.

Andy

Note for Andy. If you're sending amendments (to where, I know not!) the place of birth Is Glazebury, not Glasbury. Cheerio for now, Lynn

I can accept that this was a particularly unusual search due to the creative reworking of the surname for which you and Colin should be presented with Super Sleuth awards, but I've found that some straightforward searches just aren't available on the Genes site which is the only one I'm a member of.

Thanks for that Colin. I guess it's worth joining another site in addition to Genes in order to obtain a better search facility. On the other hand, I've had such wonderful service from the ever so helpful folks on this site!!!!!

Ancestry usually have a 2 week free trial available if you want to have a go.

Andy

Lynn

You can just change your subscription to standard member, which I think you will find that most of the people that help on the boards are.

jax

Thanks for that information jax and Andy who I suspect is trying to get rid of my incessant requests for searches! Will investigate.

I dont think anyone is trying to get rid of your incessant requests for searches! as you put it.

Not that I helped on this one but if no one asked for help I would cancel my subs altogether

jax

Just kidding jax. For reasons of coincidence, although I've only been a member since April, poor Andy seems to have been on the Board whenever I've had a query. I suggested to him that I was probably going to have to put him on my payroll!
p.s ALL help is appreciated.

For background information (and sometimes transcriptions) type the name of the Parish into your search engine, eg Glazebury Parish Records online:

Welcome to the All Saints, Glazebury - History
Records clearly indicate that the people of the Parish of Newchurch which ... from All Saints Parish Church, Glazebury-Centenary booklet 1852-1952 by the ...

www.allsaintsglazebury.org.uk/pages/history.php - 7k - Similar
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