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Thanks very much! I've ordered Eliza's marriage certificate to see if the witnesses help confirm its here, and Maria's birth cert to check the father's name is Samuel not Daniel - hopefully will help confirm this is the right family on 1851.

Thanks again everyone
Jane

very quick visit before I have to go out

I got the info from the "new" family search site


www.familysearch.org/

Click on Advanced Search




If you're lucky, you'll find lots of info on there, but they don't have all aprishes by any means.



I'm still trying to work out whether all records on that "new" site are extracted, or whether there are some "submitted" records included as well.



so some care might be advised before adding the info willy nilly to your tree



sylvia

Sylvia, just seen your possible Eliza Slaughter marriage - sorry, I missed that when I replied earlier (hiding on page 2!). This looks very likely, I might get the cert and see if the witnesses give more clues too.

Thanks
Jane

PS. Where did you get that info? I'd love to look through detailed records like that without getting the certs first... Thanks

Katie, thank you for the census finds! I had found the 1851 one but the Daniel instead of Samuel confused me. Could be very easy for the enumerator to mishear the name though. The rest ties in nicely. I think I'll find a birth cert for one of the younger children to double check the father's name.

Sylvia, thanks for the info too! It's becoming more likely that Elizabeth was born before the marriage - baptized a week after their marriage, conceived out of wedlock, scandal! :)

Thanks again everyone
Jane

Is this Eliza's marriage?



record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: George Bailey
groom's birth date: 1832
groom's age: 24
bride's name: Eliza Slaughter
bride's birth date: 1838
bride's age: 18
marriage date: 28 Mar 1856
marriage place: Suffield, Norfolk, England
groom's father's name: George Bailey
bride's father's name: Samuel Slaughter
indexing project (batch) number: I07425-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2149817




sylvia

Interesting thing is that if you go to this site


www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


and clcik on Advanced Search


you can find the baptisms of most of those children shown in the 1841 and 1845 Census


BUT Eliza is one of the ones that is NOT there




sylvia

?????????????????


Could be .......................... this is the baptism date, even though it is after the marriage date above!


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Elizabeth Sexton
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 01 Oct 1825
baptism/christening place: Felmingham, Norfolk, England
mother's name: Mary Sexton
indexing project (batch) number: I04418-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2149666




sylvia

answers own question


record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Samuel Slaughter
bride's name: Mary Sexton
marriage date: 25 Sep 1825
marriage place: Felmington, Norfolk, England
indexing project (batch) number: I04418-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2149666




sylvia

Hi Jane

re that wedding of William Cole and Elizabeth Sexton

you wrote:-

Strange thing is that the bride is Elizabeth Sexton (which is the maiden name of my Elizabeth's mother), but her father is Samuel Slaughter. Adds to the mystery?? If this is the same one, it puts her at 15 or 16 in the 1841 census - she could well be the mother of Eliza, its an interesting one!



That could well mean that she was born before Mary Sexton married Samuel



have you found Mary and Samuel's marriage?



sylvia

This is Mary and Maria in 1861, transcription wrong as Maria lokks like 13 ( or 15 ) on original,

SLAUGHTER, Mary Head Widow F 55 1806
North Walsham Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Maria Daughter F 43 1818
Suffield Norfolk

RG number:RG09
Piece:1201
Folio:180
Page:8

Registration District:Erpingham
Sub District:1 North Walsham
Enumeration District:13
Civil Parish:Suffield
Address:High Street, Suffield County:Norfolk

Could this be the family in 1851?? The image on FMP is faint and Daniel could be Samuel, Elle-ar looks like Eliza.

SLAUGHTER, Daniel Head Married M 52 1799 Ag Labourer Felmingham Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Mary Wife F 45 1806 North Walsham Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 Ingworth Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, William Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Colby Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Elle?ar Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 Suffield Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 6 1845 Suffield Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Maria Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Suffield Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Alfred Son Unmarried M 2 1849 Suffield Norfolk
ALLY, An Lodger F 87 1764 Pauper Edingthorpe Norfolk

RG number:HO107
Piece:1809
Folio:102
Page:1

Registration District:Erpingham
Sub District:Walsham
Enumeration District:2
Civil Parish:Suffield
Address:Suffield County:Norfolk

EDIT As Samuel and Mary have further children after 1839 it is probable that they are Eliza's parents.

Hi

No, haven't found the family on 1851 census yet. Although someone on here found me a lead which might be Elizabeth's marriage:

Norfolk
Place Suffield
Church St. Margaret
RegisterNumber 22
MarriageDate 16 Dec 1849
GroomForename William
GroomSurname COLE
GroomAge 26
GroomParish Antingham
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Rat Killer
GroomAbode Antingham
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname SEXTON
BrideAge 24
BrideParish Suffield
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Suffield
GroomFatherForename Robert
GroomFatherSurname COLE
GroomFatherOccupation Rat Killer
BrideFatherForename Samuel
BrideFatherSurname SLAUGHTER
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname NEWLAND
WitnessTwoForename Mary Ann
WitnessTwoSurname COLE
Notes All mark X
FileNumber 2226

Strange thing is that the bride is Elizabeth Sexton (which is the maiden name of my Elizabeth's mother), but her father is Samuel Slaughter. Adds to the mystery?? If this is the same one, it puts her at 15 or 16 in the 1841 census - she could well be the mother of Eliza, its an interesting one!

There were a couple of possible workhouses nearby, but doesn't look like I'm going to be able to confirm it from the records online!

Thanks everyone
Jane

SatNav

I just thought that as I read Cheryl's posting, and realised that we were talking about the 1841 census, and ages of all people over 15 should have been rounded down. Didn't always happen of course, but those were the instructions.

Jane ........ have you found Elizabeth on any later censuses? If so, what was her age?



sylvia

Elizabeth may be older,even 19.
The ages in 1841 should be rounded down.

I agree with Sylvia. When I first saw ther census that someone had posted, it showed Elizabeth as 15 years old and I did wonder if she was the mother.
It's worth considering anyway.
Cheryl

Jane


many women had their babies born in a Workhouse .................. the Workhouse was the only place that had a hospital that didn't charge.

They were often described as "inmate" when that happened, even though thye had only "checked in" for the birth.



are you sure that Elizabeth was not the real mother of the baby???




sylvia

Thanks for all your replies, much appreciated :)

I'll do some more research, see what I can find out. Just to add to the trickiness, the addresses for them are very generic - they just say Suffield or Erpingham.

Thanks again
Jane

when did Eliza die?

and have you found Elizabeth around that time?



sylvia

except you said it so much better mgnv :) I was trying to recall what I had been told years ago lol

One of the categories that qualified an informant to register a birth was "A person present at the birth". Another category was "The owner or occupier of the house or institution".

I've never seen a birth rego'ed by an inmate, but I have seen a death rego'ed by an "inmate". I believe he qualified as "An occupier of the house" - he was a lodger on the census 9 m earlier. So pretty much as SRS posted