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Hi

I received a birth certificate today for Eliza Slaughter, b1838 in Suffield, Norfolk. The informant was Elizabeth Slaughter - I believe she was the eldest sister. The mother and father are Samuel and Mary (formerly Sexton). Elizabeth has Inmate, Suffield written underneath her mark.

Do you know where she might have been an inmate (a workhouse perhaps?) and possibly point me in the direction where I could find more information please?

Hope someone can help!

Thanks
Jane

1841

Name: Eliza Slaughter
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Suffield
Hundred: North Erpingham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Erpingham
Sub-registration district: North Walsham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Slaughter 45
Mary Slaughter 30
Elizabeth Slaughter 15
Samuel Slaughter 13
Hannah Slaughter 10
William Slaughter 8
George Slaughter 6
Sarah Slaughter 4
Eliza Slaughter 2

Class: HO107; Piece 760; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Suffield; County: Norfolk; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 7; Page: 10; Line: 15; GSU roll: 438853.

Hi,
Try this website for information on the Workhouses:

http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/s/suffield/

There is a wealth of information on this site regarding Suffield, including transcripts of Parish Records and Censuses. On the 1841 Census the father, William, is shown as being an agricultural worker but there is no indication that the family were in the Workhouse on this record.

Just wanted to add that in certain areas, inmate doesn't always mean they were in prison, hospital or a workhouse.

In an area of Scotland where my ancestors lived, it just meant that they lived in the same household as the head of the household. Not sure about your area though :)

What address is given for the birth and parents' address? Is that a workhouse? After 1834 Suffield workhouse came under Erpingham Union.
For more info this is also a useful site http://www.workhouses.org.uk/

One of the categories that qualified an informant to register a birth was "A person present at the birth". Another category was "The owner or occupier of the house or institution".

I've never seen a birth rego'ed by an inmate, but I have seen a death rego'ed by an "inmate". I believe he qualified as "An occupier of the house" - he was a lodger on the census 9 m earlier. So pretty much as SRS posted

except you said it so much better mgnv :) I was trying to recall what I had been told years ago lol

when did Eliza die?

and have you found Elizabeth around that time?



sylvia

Thanks for all your replies, much appreciated :)

I'll do some more research, see what I can find out. Just to add to the trickiness, the addresses for them are very generic - they just say Suffield or Erpingham.

Thanks again
Jane

Jane


many women had their babies born in a Workhouse .................. the Workhouse was the only place that had a hospital that didn't charge.

They were often described as "inmate" when that happened, even though thye had only "checked in" for the birth.



are you sure that Elizabeth was not the real mother of the baby???




sylvia

I agree with Sylvia. When I first saw ther census that someone had posted, it showed Elizabeth as 15 years old and I did wonder if she was the mother.
It's worth considering anyway.
Cheryl

Elizabeth may be older,even 19.
The ages in 1841 should be rounded down.

SatNav

I just thought that as I read Cheryl's posting, and realised that we were talking about the 1841 census, and ages of all people over 15 should have been rounded down. Didn't always happen of course, but those were the instructions.

Jane ........ have you found Elizabeth on any later censuses? If so, what was her age?



sylvia

Hi

No, haven't found the family on 1851 census yet. Although someone on here found me a lead which might be Elizabeth's marriage:

Norfolk
Place Suffield
Church St. Margaret
RegisterNumber 22
MarriageDate 16 Dec 1849
GroomForename William
GroomSurname COLE
GroomAge 26
GroomParish Antingham
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Rat Killer
GroomAbode Antingham
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname SEXTON
BrideAge 24
BrideParish Suffield
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Suffield
GroomFatherForename Robert
GroomFatherSurname COLE
GroomFatherOccupation Rat Killer
BrideFatherForename Samuel
BrideFatherSurname SLAUGHTER
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname NEWLAND
WitnessTwoForename Mary Ann
WitnessTwoSurname COLE
Notes All mark X
FileNumber 2226

Strange thing is that the bride is Elizabeth Sexton (which is the maiden name of my Elizabeth's mother), but her father is Samuel Slaughter. Adds to the mystery?? If this is the same one, it puts her at 15 or 16 in the 1841 census - she could well be the mother of Eliza, its an interesting one!

There were a couple of possible workhouses nearby, but doesn't look like I'm going to be able to confirm it from the records online!

Thanks everyone
Jane

Could this be the family in 1851?? The image on FMP is faint and Daniel could be Samuel, Elle-ar looks like Eliza.

SLAUGHTER, Daniel Head Married M 52 1799 Ag Labourer Felmingham Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Mary Wife F 45 1806 North Walsham Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 Ingworth Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, William Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Colby Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Elle?ar Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 Suffield Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 6 1845 Suffield Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Maria Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Suffield Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Alfred Son Unmarried M 2 1849 Suffield Norfolk
ALLY, An Lodger F 87 1764 Pauper Edingthorpe Norfolk

RG number:HO107
Piece:1809
Folio:102
Page:1

Registration District:Erpingham
Sub District:Walsham
Enumeration District:2
Civil Parish:Suffield
Address:Suffield County:Norfolk

EDIT As Samuel and Mary have further children after 1839 it is probable that they are Eliza's parents.

This is Mary and Maria in 1861, transcription wrong as Maria lokks like 13 ( or 15 ) on original,

SLAUGHTER, Mary Head Widow F 55 1806
North Walsham Norfolk
SLAUGHTER, Maria Daughter F 43 1818
Suffield Norfolk

RG number:RG09
Piece:1201
Folio:180
Page:8

Registration District:Erpingham
Sub District:1 North Walsham
Enumeration District:13
Civil Parish:Suffield
Address:High Street, Suffield County:Norfolk

Hi Jane

re that wedding of William Cole and Elizabeth Sexton

you wrote:-

Strange thing is that the bride is Elizabeth Sexton (which is the maiden name of my Elizabeth's mother), but her father is Samuel Slaughter. Adds to the mystery?? If this is the same one, it puts her at 15 or 16 in the 1841 census - she could well be the mother of Eliza, its an interesting one!



That could well mean that she was born before Mary Sexton married Samuel



have you found Mary and Samuel's marriage?



sylvia

answers own question


record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Samuel Slaughter
bride's name: Mary Sexton
marriage date: 25 Sep 1825
marriage place: Felmington, Norfolk, England
indexing project (batch) number: I04418-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2149666




sylvia

?????????????????


Could be .......................... this is the baptism date, even though it is after the marriage date above!


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Elizabeth Sexton
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 01 Oct 1825
baptism/christening place: Felmingham, Norfolk, England
mother's name: Mary Sexton
indexing project (batch) number: I04418-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2149666




sylvia

Interesting thing is that if you go to this site


www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


and clcik on Advanced Search


you can find the baptisms of most of those children shown in the 1841 and 1845 Census


BUT Eliza is one of the ones that is NOT there




sylvia