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Hello All
I have Direct line Relative who does not appear to be registered or baptised as follows:
1841 census Pemberton St, Hetton-Le-Hole Co Durham
Eleanor Robson age 30
Mary Ann age 9
Elizabeth age 8
Douglas age 5
John age 1 *my line

John is not Registered and yet his sister Margaeret born Oct 1841 is with parents John Robson and Eleanor Urwin, like wise Armstrong born 1843 and Richard born and died 1846.
so i can never be sure about Johns parentage, was he adoptred into the family or is there a reason he is not Registered or baptised?

Thanks
Allan

The 1841 is unsuitable for relationships.

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1851 England Census
about John Robson
Name: John Robson
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Eleanor
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: East Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members: Name Age
John Robson 46
Eleanor Robson 41
John Robson 11
Margret Robson 10
Aronstreng Robson 8
Thomas Robson 9 MO

There are a few John Robsons born Durham between 1839 and 1841 - have you checked them out?

Are those 2 census's the same family?
If so where are Mary Ann,Elizabeth and Douglas off 1841 census in 1851?

Maryb

Thanks for your help.
Yes this is the same family, Mary Ann, Elizabeth wers servants in Sunderland on the 1851 Census and Douglas was a Merchant Seaman.

Allan

OK Allan.
Was John 1840's middle name Parkinson,there is a tree on Ancestry that says this.

Maryb

Its Certainly an odd one, I have all the baptisms of the other children except him and Margaret Altho she is Registered, Armstrong & Richard were Baptised together on 8th July 1846 AT ST Nicholas, Hetton, so why werent John and Margaret baptised at the same time?, also were they lived in Hetton was a 5 mins walk to the Church.

Thanks
Allan

no it wasnt Mary, i have looked up the family you mention, there is no link.

Thanks
Allan

Hi Barbara
yes all been checked no John Robson with parents John Robson and Eleanor Urwin.

Thanks
Allan

Is this your Douglas.
Christened Saint Nicholas Newcastle upon Tyne 28/10/1835 by John and Eleanor.

Was This also same church Saint Nicholas Parish Reg and Nonconformist.
I was just wondering if they were nonconformists,no relevance either way,I was just wondering why some of children baptised and others not.

Maryb

Yes Mary thats him, the family were Church of England as far as i know, the Baptism of Douglas was St NIcholas Church in Newcastle.

Allan

Where was John senior in 1841 and when and where did John 1840 die?

The people with John Parkinson Robson have him married to Eleanor Ann Hall born @ 1831 and say John P Robson born @ 1837!! Bishopwearmouth.

I can't see anywhere any other record of a John Parkinson Robson.

Mind you they also say he died 1865 and was the father of William born 1870 in Hartlepool,soooooooo.

Maryb.

This is an awkward one.I see from google that you have been looking for him for years.
Just noticed one you have that say he died May 1865.

Unfortunately, not everyone was registered - in one particular part of my family, most children were registered, but one wasn't; in another part of my family, most children were baptised C of E, but the last one was baptised in a Wesleyan Methodist Chapel.

Hi mary
John senior was a Joiner and altho not on on the 1841 census living with his family he was nearby as he fathered Margaret born Oct 1841 at Hetton.

John Robson 1861 census
23 Sussex st
John Robson aged 23 Seaman born Bishopwearmouth
Eleanor age 26 Born Sunderland
Douglas age 3 months born Sunderland.
John Robson married Eleanor Ann Hall Jan 15th 1860 in Sunderland, he lied about his age as he was born in 1840 according to the 1840 and 1851 census.
John died in May 1865 as a result of an Accident his death cert says he was aged 26, the parish records say he was 25, as you say its a tough one.
Thanks
Allan

Have you looked for a baptism close to the time when he might have started work OR just before he got married??


Many children who were not baptized as babies were baptised at one or other of the later times


a) because the employer was insistent that his workers be baptized

or

b) because the vicar wouldn't marry a couple unless both were baptized.




just a thought



sylvia

Thanks Sylvia
it is a thought, he was a Seaman in the Mercgant service so whether he would have to be Baptised to go to Sea, i dont know.

Regards
Allan

When did John and Eleanor marry?
Were they together the definite parents of the older children in the 1841 census?

Could it have been a 2nd marriage for one of them and young John was perhaps born / registered as URWIN ?

I understand your dilema.
I've been hunting for the parents of my GG grandfather for about 15 years !

Gwyn

Have you checked for birth registrations without a first name, ie "Male"?

Hi Gwynn
John Robsons parents were Married in Lamesley in Nov 1826
yes they were the parents of the older children on the 1841 Census i have the baptisms.
regarding your dilema, have you checked all the possibilities?
Thanks
Allan

Yes I have checked 'Male' 1st name on the 1837-41 Births,

Thanks
Allan