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Hi,
i a searching for Wraith and have found my relative in Sheffield. On the `relationship to head of house it states `boarder` though they are all `Wraith` in the house.
What would this mean?

Are they a more distant relative, nephew or something? I have seen this too.
Jan

Assume this is them? EDric is an unusual name, you might be able to research him to find out the relationship.

WRAITH, Henry Head Married
5 years M 24 1887 Forgeman Sheffield Yorks VIEW
WRAITH, Beatrice Wife Married F 26 1885 Sheffield Yorks VIEW
WRAITH, Ellen Daughter Single F 3 1908 Sheffield Yorks VIEW
WRAITH, Ernest Son Single M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Sheffield Yorks VIEW
WRAITH, Albert Boarder Single M 19 1892 Labourer General Sheffield Yorks VIEW
WRAITH, Edric Boarder Single M 14 1897 Collier Pony Driver Underground Sheffield Yorks VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27899 Reference:
RG14PN27899 RG78PN1596 RD510 SD3 ED7 SN135

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
Sheffield Park Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
5 Court 14 Lord ST County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

A boarder is someone who pays for their meals and lodgings in someone else's house. If all the occupants of the house had the surname Wraith then the boarders could have been more distant relatives rather than immediate family - more than likely brothers of the head of house.

Kath. x

Looks like it could be a brother to Henry as Kathleen suggested...

Name: Edrick Wraith
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Walter
Mother's Name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Dyers Hill St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Wraith 39
Julia Wraith 36
Ernest Wraith 16
Henry Wraith 14
Walter Wraith 12
Albert Wraith 9
George Wraith 7
Edrick Wraith 5
John W Wraith 2
Joseph Wraith 1 month

Thankyou.
Yes that`s the census.
Edric is my great-grandad and we didn`t even know they cae from Sheffield as we all live in Wigan..
I was wondering if perhaps Edric had lost his parents and they were living with relatives. Just wondered if the term `boarder` had a different meaning back then.

P.S. Why was a post removed?

Thanks everyone.

This could possibly be another 2 brothers?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WRAITH, John William
Address: 145 Bernard St Sheffield
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GRAHAM, Edwin Head Married M 60 1851 Bricklayer Labourer Yorks Sheffild VIEW
GRAHAM, Louisa Wife Married
23 years F 57 1854 Yorks Sheffield VIEW
WHYBRO, Ivy Granddaughter Single F 1 1910 Yorks Sheffield VIEW
WRAITH, John William Nephew Single M 12 1899 School Yorks Sheffield VIEW
WRAITH, Frank Nephew Sigle M 8 1903 School Yorks Sheffield VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27907 Reference:
RG14PN27907 RG78PN1596 RD510 SD3 ED15 SN272

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
Sheffield Park Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Sheffield

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This would be Frank born after the 1901 Census above...

Births Mar 1903
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Wraith Frank Sheffield 9c 597

Perhaps just the mum died?

Deaths Mar 1904
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WRAITH Julia 40 Sheffield 9c 366

I am quite new to all this and i am still surprised at how many people lived in one 3 room house. I absolutely love it.

I have just looked at the 1901 census and his dad is on that so will work with that first.

Just looking for son of Sarah Ann Wraith and Edric Wraith. John W Wraith - 1919 found that but it says maiden name of mum was Wharton not Havard as stated on all her other 9 children`s births. Could this be an error.
Sarah Ann Havard
married
?Wharton 1915
Married Edrick Wraith in 1918

Also, John appears to be the only child born with a second name. Any help appreciated.
Thankyou.

marriage

Name: Edric Wraith
Spouse Surname: Sarah A Wharton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Registration district: Wigan
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 129

when were the other children born?
Could she have been married twice?

I see all the other children were born later after 1922 all with mmn of Havard.

Jane this is what keeps us all going, unravelling mysteries

looks like she was married twice

Marriages Mar 1915

Havard Sarah A James Wharton Wigan 8c 111

surprising sometimes how many house holds are at one address

there are addresses in mansell street(1881), with 6 or more families at one house number there
Bob

Yes she was married twice and we have the man - with the surname of Wharton and they had a child James Wharton Born 1915 mother`s maiden name Havard.

She then married Edric Wraith 1918 - and we thought their first born was John Wraith but it states a John W Wraith with maiden name Wharton not Havard.

All the other children are listed Havard?

Confusing?? I love a mystery!

Sarah's first husband died in WW1

WHARTON, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 20th Bn
Age: 23
Date of Death: 03/05/1917
Service No: 24755
Additional information: Son of Walter John and Maria Wharton; husband of Sarah A. Wraith (formerly Wharton), of 8, Taylor St., Moy Lane, Wigan.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 7.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

Whoever registered the birth of John W Wraith gave the mother's maiden name as Wharton but on the other births they have given her correct maiden name.

If you buy the birth cert it may say something like mother Sarah Wharton formerly Havard but not necessarily. The registrar would just write down what he was told.

Jennifer

I bet the 1919 birth entry is an error, it should say Havard.

Jane, the person who deleted a post either posted something that was wrong, or said the same as Brummiejan.

Believe me, 7 or 8 in a 3-roomed house was very common. Makes you wonder where all the kids were when the parents conceived the next child!

In the 1901 census my great grandmother and great grandfather were boarders in a house in the town where I was born. There were 39 people living in the house - which is still there and is just a large Victorian terrace.

They must have been squeezed in like sardines!!

Kath. x