Genealogy Chat

Thanks so much everyone. Did not dream I would get so much help. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

Checked the freebmd image and I don't know how the transcriber even guessed at 2 or 3 - all there is is a dot!

Eric,

Did you check the full index on Ancestry? Their images have been digitally enhanced which is why they are sometimes clearer than freebmd's but there is always the risk that the enhancement is wrong.

Well done Eric,here is James:

Cole James Okehampton 5b 72[23]

And when I check the FULL index........guess what!!!

Cole, James, Okehampton 5b/723 Dec 1863

The last digit is blurred, but I feel confident that it is a '3'

Esther Mudge is 'visiting' James Cole and Harriet in 1871.

Esther has a daughter Harriet, born 1842 Cheriton.....

It is beginning to look as though James was not married to Harriet............although...........

A male name missing from this page

Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
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Brimblecombe Hannah Okehampton 5b 723
Mudge Harriet Okehampton 5b 723
Stoneman Robert Okehampton 5b 723


Okehampton is the registration district for Drewsteignton

Maybe not!

Harriet Mudge
Birth: 1842 Cheriton Blp, , Devon, England

Father: William Mudge
Mother: Esther

Could Esther be Mother in law to James?

Esther might be James Cole's grandmother on his maternal side?

Devon is not very well covered on the IGI............

Had a quick look at the IGI but could not find a christening for the children. Thank you all very very much for all the help. My dogs know its walk time so will have to catch up with all of you lovely helpful people later

Esther in 1861?

Name: Esther Mudge
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Crediton, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Drewsteignton
Ecclesiastical parish: Exeter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Okehampton
Sub registration district: Chagford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
George Hamlyn 70
Esther Mudge 61
William Mudge 67

I cant keep up with all this, by the time I read all the replies and start to think, why have I not seen the 1871 , you come up with some thing else. I am really grateful for the help but feeling like a plonker!!

Thinks it is this one, Selena:

Births Dec 1861 (>99%)

COLE Emily Torrington 5b 480

Might this be John in 1871?

Name: John Cole
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Aaron
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Drewsteignton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Lustleigh
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub registration district: Moreton Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Aaron Cole 31
Charlotte Cole 32
Eliza Cole 3
Elizabeth Cole 7
Emily Cole 1
John Cole 9
Wilmot Cole 5

Now , I have looked at those 1881/91 census and didn't see that John Cole was a nephew or that he and Harriet was born in Drewsteignton. On one she has Cheriton as her birth place and on another Ashreigney.

If you look at the last name on 1871...........this reg'n becomes interesting

Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
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Cole James Mudge Newton A 5b 212
Lake John Newton A 5b 212
Milford Ann Newton A. 5b 212
Salter Mary Newton A 5b 212


Selena..........

Ester is a 'visitor' in 1871

Who is Esther Mudge on the 1871? Any relation?

I can't seem to find Emily's birth 1861/62?

Just for reference

Births Sep 1878
COLE Bertram Plymouth 5b 281

Well, James is single on 1861 census...........so that narrows the time-scale..........


Name: James Cole
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashreigney, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Hittisleigh
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Registration district: Crediton
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 12