Genealogy Chat

I have had some success on finding the correct marriage in the past but the one I am trying to find at the moment has eluded me is it possible that another pair of eyes could help. It's James Cole born about 1842 in Ashreigney Devon to Harriet ? born 1842 Ashreigney or Cheriton. The eldest child John (1862) born Ashreigney but the rest of the children were born in Plymouth according to the 1891 census. The problem is there seem to be quite a few James Cole who married a Harriet and how do I find the right couple without a hint to the maiden name. I would really appreciate some help on this one.

You will need to get one of the children's birth certs, which will have mmn on it.

Quite a few possible John Coles b Devon for the relevant years. Do any of the children have unusual first names?

Household:

Is this the right family in 1881

James COLE Head M Male 39 Ashrainy, Devon, England Cooper
Harriet COLE Wife M Female 39 Cheriton, Devon, England
Emily A. COLE Daur U Female 19 Drewsteignton, Devon, England Fancy Box Maker(Paper)
Matilda COLE Daur U Female 17 Drewsteignton, Devon, England French Polisher
William J. COLE Son Male 15 Plymouth, Devon, England Telegraph Messenger
Frank COLE Son Male 11 Plymouth, Devon, England Scholar
Henry J. COLE Son Male 9 Plymouth, Devon, England Scholar
Harriet A. COLE Daur Female 7 Plymouth, Devon, England Scholar
Alfred G. COLE Son Male 5 Plymouth, Devon, England Scholar
Bertram COLE Son Male 3 Plymouth, Devon, England
Eva COLE Daur Female 1 Plymouth, Devon, England
William H. SOPER Lodger U Male 24 Plymouth, Devon, England Masons Labourer
John COLE Nephew U Male 19 Drewsteignton, Devon, England Farmers Labourer

Source Information:
Dwelling 10 York Lane
Census Place Plymouth St Andrew, Devon, England
Family History Library Film 1341529
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2197 / 86
Page Number 31

For ref.....is this the family in 1881?

Name: John Cole
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Nephew <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<NOT their SON<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Drewsteignton, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth St Andrew
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address: 10 York Lane

Occupation: Farmers Labourer

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred G. Cole 5
Bertram Cole 3
Emily A. Cole 19
Eva Cole 1
Frank Cole 11
Harriet Cole 39 b. Cheriton
Harriet A. Cole 7
Henry J. Cole 9
James Cole 39
John Cole 19
Matilda Cole 17
William J. Cole 15
William H. Soper 24

I know that would give me her maiden name but I try and keep the cost down and buy only as a last resort , usually I use Free BDM and match the husband and wife by the page and volume but that has not worked in this case. Thank you though for the help.

Wow you are all to quick for me, by the time I came up with a reply you had all found the correct family!!!

1871...

Name: Harriet Cole
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Drewsteignton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 306
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Cole 9
Frank Cole 1
Harriet Cole 28
James Cole 29
Matilda Cole 7
William Cole 4
Ester Mudge 69

Well, I can't find one marriage of a James Cole to a Harriet in Devon between 1856 and 1862!

Thanks ,I must admit I forgot about the IGI will try and find any christening etc.

Well, James is single on 1861 census...........so that narrows the time-scale..........


Name: James Cole
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashreigney, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Hittisleigh
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Registration district: Crediton
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Just for reference

Births Sep 1878
COLE Bertram Plymouth 5b 281

I can't seem to find Emily's birth 1861/62?

Who is Esther Mudge on the 1871? Any relation?

If you look at the last name on 1871...........this reg'n becomes interesting

Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
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Cole James Mudge Newton A 5b 212
Lake John Newton A 5b 212
Milford Ann Newton A. 5b 212
Salter Mary Newton A 5b 212


Selena..........

Ester is a 'visitor' in 1871

Now , I have looked at those 1881/91 census and didn't see that John Cole was a nephew or that he and Harriet was born in Drewsteignton. On one she has Cheriton as her birth place and on another Ashreigney.

Might this be John in 1871?

Name: John Cole
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Aaron
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Drewsteignton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Lustleigh
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub registration district: Moreton Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Aaron Cole 31
Charlotte Cole 32
Eliza Cole 3
Elizabeth Cole 7
Emily Cole 1
John Cole 9
Wilmot Cole 5

Thinks it is this one, Selena:

Births Dec 1861 (>99%)

COLE Emily Torrington 5b 480

I cant keep up with all this, by the time I read all the replies and start to think, why have I not seen the 1871 , you come up with some thing else. I am really grateful for the help but feeling like a plonker!!

Esther in 1861?

Name: Esther Mudge
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Crediton, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Drewsteignton
Ecclesiastical parish: Exeter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Okehampton
Sub registration district: Chagford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
George Hamlyn 70
Esther Mudge 61
William Mudge 67