Genealogy Chat

Many thanks everyone.

So far what you've done is confirm that I have been looking in all the right places.

Somehow or other this family has been split up in my view just before the 1851 Census. Perhaps David Shadbolt has "gone away" for some reason? And that's why we can't find the family as a unit.

Perhaps the reasons why the Census references to young William and Samuel show 'wrong' birthplaces are because they were too young to know where they came from after a split with their parents? or, the family wanted to hide the Shoreditch connection for a particular reason?

Sylvia, I take your point about Sarah and I will check out that William Giddings marriage. Interesting to note I have never found a death reference for David around that time so maybe there was another reason.

Very grateful to you all for your help.

David

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David Shadbolt = Sarah Biddey is the right couple but I don't see them anywhere as a couple in 1851 census. Do you?




If the following is correct, then the reason you can't find David and Sarah Shadbolt on the 1851 Census is because she had married William Giddings in 1850!!

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)

>>>>Giddings William Hitchin 6 787
>>>>Shadbolt Sarah Hitchin 6 787



I think you need to buy this marriage certifcate from www.gro.gov.uk to see whether Sarah is actually Sarah Shadbolt nee Biddey, and what she says her status is.



sylvia

Had several pms from David

1. You're working very hard on this Sylvia; thank you. All the info you are coming up with represents the best I have been avble to find so far

David Shadbolt = Sarah Biddey is the right couple but I don't see them anywhere as a couple in 1851 census. Do you?

Yes, Samuel the pot boy in Hampstead 1861 is the closet I've ever got to someone who might be him. But I cannot be sure because it does not say birthplace Shoredith and it should.

The later census confusions about Hertford / Hampshire and Islington are down to the enumerator in my view. Slight problem with geography it seems!

We do know from the Shadbolt Society that the David Shadbolt connection is to Datchworth and Tewin Shadbolts in Hertfordshire, by the way.


2. Yes, I've seen this one but our man is supposed to come from Shoreditch



3. Yes, that's William in 1861 in my view.


4. This one is a puzzle. She is never ever called Elizabeth - only Eliza. I've done Elizabeth / Eliz'bth/ Betsy / Lizzie and so on.

What I thought here is that it is a strong fit and the name chnge is because the Head of Household or someone in the household told the enumnerator that her name was Elizabeth. They might have done this out of ignorance of her true name or as is so often the case in Victorian England, her employer decided she should be known as Elizabeth because it suited them.



sylvia

Had a pm from David

David Shadbolt and he married Sarah Biddey / Biddy from Putney in 1843.

In 1841 he was an Ag. Lab. in Chelsea and Sarah was a servant in Chelsea.
On the 1843 marriage cert it shows him as a COWKEEPER and her as a servant.


Maureen

Is this David and Sarah's marriage, from the IGI

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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DAVID SHADBOLT Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH BIDDEY Family
Marriage: 11 OCT 1843 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M040806 1834 - 1835 0405110 Film 6905089 Film

M040806 1836 - 1838 0405111 Film NONE

M040806 1838 - 1839 0405112 Film NONE

M040806 1839 - 1840 0405113 Film NONE

M040806 1840 - 1842 0405114 Film NONE

M040806 1842 - 1843 0405115 Film NONE

M040806 1843 - 1845 0405116 Film NONE

M040806 1845 - 1846 0405117 Film NONE

M040806 1846 - 1848 0405118 Film NONE

M040806 1848 - 1850 0405119 Film NONE

M040806 1850 - 1851 0405120 Film NONE

M040806 1851 - 1853 0405121 Film NONE

M040806 1853 - 1855 0405122 Film NONE

M040806 1855 - 1857 0405123 Film NONE

M040806 1857 - 1859 0405124 Film NONE

M040806 1859 - 1861 0405125 Film NONE

M040806 1861 - 1864 0405126 Film 6905089 Film

M040806 1864 - 1865 0405127 Film NONE

M040806 1865 - 1868 0405128 Film NONE

M040806 1868 - 1871 0405129 Film NONE

M040806 1871 - 1875 0405130 Film NONE

M040806 1875 0405131 Film NONE




sylvia

Am I completely out in left field?????



The remarriage of Sarah Shadbolt could be the reason why you couldn't find her on the censuses.



sylvia

Is this Eliza???


1861 Census

Name: Elizabeth Shadbolt
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Hitchin
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub registration district: Hitchin
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Sarah Hubbard 4
Emma Hubbard 23
Frances Hubbard 1
Fredrick Hubbard 25
Elizabeth Shadbolt 15


sylvia

OR is this your William in 1861??

1861 Census

Name: William Shadbolt
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Welwyn
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hatfield
Sub registration district: Welwyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Brand 21
George Brand 52 Publican and Butcher
Joseph Brand 5
Mary A Brand 54
William Shadbolt 15 Butcher Boy

Address:- The Vine, Welwyn


sylvia

hmmmmmmm

1851 Census

Name: William Shadbolt
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Baldock
Town: Baldock
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 7c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Flanders 20
Mary Ann Flanders 19
Elizabeth Ford 41
Richard Ford 54
Eliza Giddins 4 Mo b.ca 1850, Baldock, Hertfordhire, Lodger's Daughter
Sarah Giddins 27 b.ca 1824, Baldock, Herts, Lodger, Married, Straw Plaiter
George Shadbolt 6 b.ca 1845, Weston, Hertfordshire, Lodger's Son
Sarah Shadbolt 3 b.ca 1848, Weston, Lodger's Daughter
William Shadbolt 5 b.ca 1846, Weston, Lodger's Son
George Webster 19

Address:- Gorton End, Baldock, Hertfordshire



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Marriage registration????


Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)

>>>>Giddings William Hitchin 6 787
HARWOOD James Hitchen 6 787
Hicks Mary Hitchen 6 787
James John Hitchin 6 787
Lee Ann Hitchin 6 787
>>>>Shadbolt Sarah Hitchin 6 787
Smith Josiah William Hitchin 6 787
Trigg Georgiana Hitchen 6 787





Is this a possible answer????????



sylvia

and I presume this is him in 1891

1891 Census

Name: Samuel Shadbolt
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Mason 20 Niece, b.ca 1872, Brixton
Anna Shadbolt 46 b.ca 1845, Islington, Hampshire
George Shadbolt 10 b.ca 1881, London, Kingland (??Ringland)
Nellis Shadbolt 12 b.ca 1879, Kigland, London (??Ringland)
Samuel Shadbolt 41 Green grocer

Address:- 80 Ashwood Street, Upper Holloway, Islington



AH .. the image just says Herts for place of birth, the transcriber has added Islington to his record.

Similarly, for Anna ..... the image just says born in Hampshire, transcriber has added Islington.




sylvia

what about this one??? Have you seen it before??


1861 Census

Name: Samuel Shadbolt
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hampstead St John
Town: Hampstead
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Hampstead
Sub registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bitt 45
Charles Borton 36
William Burton 52
George Creed 22
John Droter 33
Henry Eldridge 40
John Eldridge 33 Head, Licensed Victualler
Martha Eldridge 38
George Miles 16
Michael Seabrooke 25
Samuel Shadbolt 10 Pot Boy

Address:- Flask Inn Public House, Hampstead St John


sylvia

Megs,

Not a good idea to add your request to someone elses thread.

Maureen

Is that Eliza 1844, William 1846 and Sam 1849 all born Shoreditch ?



Marriages Dec 1843 (97%)
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Bennett Thomas Healm Shoreditch 2 377
Biddey Sarah Shoreditch 2 377
Coates William Durrant Shoreditch 2 377
Cribb Sarah Shoreditch 2 377
Flynn John Shoreditch 2 377
LANE Grace Shoreditch 2 377
Shadbolt David Shoreditch 2 377


Which Sarah did he marry?


Do you know the occupation of David?

All, at Sylvia's suggestion - the names of my lost family are:

David and Sarah Shadbolt + Eliza, William and Samuel.

David

May I suggest that you post their names on here and see if anyone can help you??

You have sent the name to me .... but I think it would be good if everyone could see the names.

I know you said that members of the family name group have not been able to find them ...... but there are some wonderful miracle workrs on here!!

There have been occasions when people were given the wrong name by the census taker ... or by the transciber ......... and helpers working together on here have been able to determine that this is why a family has disappeared



sylvia

LOL, David sent me a pm saying its a typo error - (I was thinking what an unusual name!) well, just shows you have easy it is to get things mistranscribed on records doesnt it.

You should be able to find them if they were in Scotland.

If you post the names maybe someone else can find them.

Christine

Thanks all for your suggestions. None of these has worked in the past. Any other ideas, please?

For example, if the whole family went across borders to Scotland or Ireland around the time of the 1851 Census could we be sure of finding them, do you think?

Is that the right spelling Enhglish??

There was a relative that disappeared in my tree. The next census his wife and 3 children were missing too.

It wasn't until one of their Australian descendant contacted my cousin for information that the mystery was resolved. Husband had been convicted of larceny and transported to Perth as punishment. His wife and children eventually followed and they settled there.

There is a website that you can go on to look up transported convicts to Perth but I can't remember what it is off the top of my head and I'm off to work now. I'll get my stuff out later.