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Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 16:55

I have been having trouble finding some of my ancestors due to misinterpretaion of censuses. To make matters worse, I recently found that an entry on Ancestry was indexed differently to GR (I don't have an Ancestry account but have unlimited searches in GR).

I am trying to find Jabob Reuben Theobald from Thorndon, Suffolk in the 1901 census. He was listed as Reuben (Ruben) in the 1891 census.

Could someone please help me by offering suggested spellings for the name Theobald (with a Suffolk accent)

Thank you,
Lynda

Julie

Julie Report 20 Jun 2008 16:59

What is hes birth year

Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 17:00

Jacob Reuben Theobald born 1871 in Thorndon, Suffolk

Julie

Julie Report 20 Jun 2008 17:06

I see what you mean..i have tried everything even just doing their sons name

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 20 Jun 2008 17:09

Did he marry? If so, what was his wife's name and when did he marry?

Did he have children? Any names/dates for those?

Or

Have you looked for a death cert?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 20 Jun 2008 17:13

Something doesn't add up here.
On the 91 census Reuben Theobald and wife Anna are lodgers living with George Lovett. There's a grandson Harry Theobald with them. He can't be Rueben's grandson so must be George Lovett's. Does that mean Anna was a Lovett and Harry is a son of Reuben & Anna?

Julie

Julie Report 20 Jun 2008 17:15

I was just looking for a Lovett/Theobolds marriage and can't see one

Also that would make Jacob 16 when Harry was born

This is also ringing bells with me, so think i might of tried to help before

Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 17:17

I can't find a marriage for him and I can't find a death in WW1. I haven't found him on passenger lists either.

I was wondering if the spelling was transcribed differently on GR again.

Earlier this week I found DEE* transcribed by Ancestry as DERR^ and GR had it as DEI* (The writing was quite bad though and GR have corrected their entry).

I am worried that the same misinterpretation has happened here

Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 17:18

I have obtained Harry's birth certificate and he is Anna's son - No father.

Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 17:19

I think Jacob reuben and Anna are brother and sister, not husband and wife,

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 20 Jun 2008 17:24

Having looked at 1891 - If George Lovett is Harry's grandfather then one of his sons is Harry's father - and not married to Anna ... Or am I making assumptions here?

Sorry - still trying to find Reuben in 1901.

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 20 Jun 2008 17:30

Cannot even find Harry in 1901 .

I have tried just putting in Thorndon, Suffolk as birthplace and then trying relevant range of years for birth - but nothing pings out of the page at me.

Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 17:32

My assumption of this is (and it's only a guess!!)

I have Jacob's bc and his mother was Mary Ann Theobald - no father.

I don't have Anna's bc but I have Harry's and he is Anna's son - no father.

Mary Ann Theobald was the housekeeper (and maybe more!!) for George Lovett.

If George Lovett was Anna and Jacob's father that would explain why Harry is listed as Georges grandson and why both Jacob and Anna (and Harry) are living with George Lovett after their mother's (Mary Ann) death in 1881.

Does this sound possible?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 20 Jun 2008 17:32

Oh yes, I should have checked that. Both Reuben and Anna were single in 1891. I'm slapping my wrist!

Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 17:33

Hi Jill, I think that by 1901 Anna had married Charles Studd and Harry is known by Studd then.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 20 Jun 2008 17:34

Yes, your assumption sounds very plausible to me. Still doesn't explain, though, where they all are in 1901.

Wilma666

Wilma666 Report 20 Jun 2008 17:40

I wondered what the name Theobald would have sounded like with a Suffolk accent, and I was going to try to find him using that

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 20 Jun 2008 17:40

I think that's a very plausible assumption too.

So if Ann and Harry are around in 1901 - then it's only Jacob Reuben that's missing?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 20 Jun 2008 17:41

Very good, Lynda!
Charles William Studd married Anna Elizabeth Theobald Dec. Q 1891, Bosmere. (4a 1542)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 20 Jun 2008 17:42

Just thinking aloud - he could have anglicised his name to James ...

He could have taken "his father's name" of Lovett ...