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I am trying to trace my G Grandad David Davies. He married Sarah Melia in 1894, both aged 22 (I think they were exagerating and were really only 19!) I have their marriage certificate which gives no clues as to where he originated from, but gives his father's name as David Davies too.

I have found David and Sarah (with the right children's names and other rellies) on the 1901 census living in Liverpool (ref RG13/3471.) It says that David was born in Wales, Angleoch. My problem is that there is no such place. I have googled it - and found the only references to the place were from a distant cousin who I didn't know - also looking for my David Davies! (Some good has come out of it because I am in regular touch with my cousin now, and we are working together on this side of the family.)

My husband's family are welsh - and we have tried to find where it could be. We think Amlwch on Anglesey is a strong contender and there is a David Davies who could fit the bill. So before I get too carried away with claiming this man as a relative - does anyone know of any other towns or villages in Wales that "Angleoch" could really be?

Could this be him ?
1881 Census

Name: David Davies
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales

Civil Parish: Amlwch
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales

Street address: 12 Well Street
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Amlwch
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David Davies 8
Margaret Davies 14
Jane Owen 62
William Owen 65

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Thankyou laptop dancer OBE. I am hoping this is him. I am quite new to this game - so I am a bit unsure of myself. Not too confident about declaring Angleoch as nonsense and deciding it must be Amlwch instead. I guess you learn to back your own hunches as you get more experienced!

Thank you Island I will take a look there - we are from North Wales, so not so hot on South Wales villages

Christine I cannot find them on 1901 census, can you give me Class, Piece, Folio, Page No please.

LD

If you only put in Angleoch for where born it will come up & nothing else like names

Julie

Christine

What was his dads occupation

Julie

Sorry Laptop dancer - I don't know how to find those references. The only one I could find was the RG number I put at the top.

I do know it is Kirkdale district 40, but I don't know if it helps

Hi Julie
His dad's occupation is given on the wedding cert as Dock Labourer. David himself was a mariner.

Hi Laptop dancer

Found out where the references are!!

Class: RG13; Piece: 3471; Folio: 92; Page: 26

From the 1891 census. I note that in 1901 he was working on the docks so maybe he started by working on board ships ?

Name: David Davies
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: A B (Seaman)
Gender: Male
Where born: Penrhoslligwy, Anglesey, Wales

Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: South Woolwich Arsenal
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: Ellen Anne
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Campbell 18
David Davies 21
Thomas Jones 35
Hugh Prichard 15
William Prichard 30

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Laptop Dancer

That would make a lot of sense - it would explain how he ended up in Liverpool.
Thank you so much for all your help :0))

Christine

I am just coming at this from another angle..what makes you think that they told porkies about their ages on there M/C to say they were only 19 as this is Sarah in the 1881 & this would make her 22 at time of marriage

Sarah Melia
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Martin
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 3 CT 7 House Bevin Lane
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret A. Melia 2
Martin Melia 35
Mary Melia 35
Sarah Melia 9

Hi Julie

I thought they may have been telling porkies because of the difficulties I have had finding Sarah's birth. The 1891 census is the right one - Sarah's fathers name was Martin. I sent away for a cert for Sarah born 1871 in Liverpool with a ref check on Fathers name = Martin and no cert was produced. The other 2 Sarah's of the right age were both Sarah Ann Melia. I haven't sent for them yet but think I will have to. But very very few of my rellies on this side has middle names.
I have also looked for Martin and Mary's wedding without much success. The only one I found in the right period was Mary Guinan & Martin Melia 1873 in Bolton (don't know of any Bolton connections) That would make our Sarah illegit!
Finally (bet you are sorry you asked now!) I have a possible Sarah Melia aged 15 on the 1891 census working as a general domestic in Liverpool.
It all seems very muddled

Julie
The 1891 census refs for Sarah are:
Class: RG12; Piece: 2898; Folio 14; Page 22; GSU roll: 6098008.
If Martin & Mary married after Sarah was born surely his name would still have been on the birth certificate? Maybe I need to order the certificate anyway regardless of a check for the fathers name. Or maybe her surname wasn't even Melia?

I saw the 1891 for Sarah too...but just to say my nan is the youngest of 3 and her parents married 14 after she was born

It's a shame Sarah wasn't registered in Toxteth Park like Maria

For Sarah to have had Martins surname he would of had to either been married to Mary, or wait for it Mary told a porkie and said they were married

I had the same problem on my dads side. Nan was the youngest of 3 - some of the family suspected she had arrived a little early - in fact so had her older sister - they married 11 years after my nan was born - not even sure he was her real dad!

Thanks for your help today - looks like I am going to have to pluck up the courage to spend a day at the records office to unscramble this - its like trying to nail jelly to the wall!!

Just been looking in the 1871 for Martin, now seeing as Sarah was born in 1872 i can't see him so wondered if Martin married Mary in Ireland & maybe Sarah was born in Ireland

Just realised there is a big gap between Sarah and Margarets birth

its like trying to nail jelly to the wall

That made me laugh lol

What i would do is get Maria's birth certificate to get mums maiden name......Sorry to move away from your Davies, that was just too hard for me lol