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I have seen that - may give it a go after looking at the siblings

:0)))

Mary might of gone to Ireland for work maybe

There is someone on the records board called INis
that is offerering Irish look up, might be worth to ask

We have to keep each other laughing otherwise the men in white coats will come and get us!!

I will take your advice and start with Maria. Thanks you for all your help

Christine xx

It is possible that they married in Ireland, but his wife Mary was born in Liverpool according to 1881 and 1891 census

its like trying to nail jelly to the wall

That made me laugh lol

What i would do is get Maria's birth certificate to get mums maiden name......Sorry to move away from your Davies, that was just too hard for me lol

Just been looking in the 1871 for Martin, now seeing as Sarah was born in 1872 i can't see him so wondered if Martin married Mary in Ireland & maybe Sarah was born in Ireland

Just realised there is a big gap between Sarah and Margarets birth

I had the same problem on my dads side. Nan was the youngest of 3 - some of the family suspected she had arrived a little early - in fact so had her older sister - they married 11 years after my nan was born - not even sure he was her real dad!

Thanks for your help today - looks like I am going to have to pluck up the courage to spend a day at the records office to unscramble this - its like trying to nail jelly to the wall!!

For Sarah to have had Martins surname he would of had to either been married to Mary, or wait for it Mary told a porkie and said they were married

I saw the 1891 for Sarah too...but just to say my nan is the youngest of 3 and her parents married 14 after she was born

It's a shame Sarah wasn't registered in Toxteth Park like Maria

Julie
The 1891 census refs for Sarah are:
Class: RG12; Piece: 2898; Folio 14; Page 22; GSU roll: 6098008.
If Martin & Mary married after Sarah was born surely his name would still have been on the birth certificate? Maybe I need to order the certificate anyway regardless of a check for the fathers name. Or maybe her surname wasn't even Melia?

Hi Julie

I thought they may have been telling porkies because of the difficulties I have had finding Sarah's birth. The 1891 census is the right one - Sarah's fathers name was Martin. I sent away for a cert for Sarah born 1871 in Liverpool with a ref check on Fathers name = Martin and no cert was produced. The other 2 Sarah's of the right age were both Sarah Ann Melia. I haven't sent for them yet but think I will have to. But very very few of my rellies on this side has middle names.
I have also looked for Martin and Mary's wedding without much success. The only one I found in the right period was Mary Guinan & Martin Melia 1873 in Bolton (don't know of any Bolton connections) That would make our Sarah illegit!
Finally (bet you are sorry you asked now!) I have a possible Sarah Melia aged 15 on the 1891 census working as a general domestic in Liverpool.
It all seems very muddled

Christine

I am just coming at this from another angle..what makes you think that they told porkies about their ages on there M/C to say they were only 19 as this is Sarah in the 1881 & this would make her 22 at time of marriage

Sarah Melia
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Martin
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 3 CT 7 House Bevin Lane
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret A. Melia 2
Martin Melia 35
Mary Melia 35
Sarah Melia 9

Laptop Dancer

That would make a lot of sense - it would explain how he ended up in Liverpool.
Thank you so much for all your help :0))

From the 1891 census. I note that in 1901 he was working on the docks so maybe he started by working on board ships ?

Name: David Davies
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: A B (Seaman)
Gender: Male
Where born: Penrhoslligwy, Anglesey, Wales

Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: South Woolwich Arsenal
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: Ellen Anne
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Campbell 18
David Davies 21
Thomas Jones 35
Hugh Prichard 15
William Prichard 30

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Hi Laptop dancer

Found out where the references are!!

Class: RG13; Piece: 3471; Folio: 92; Page: 26

Hi Julie
His dad's occupation is given on the wedding cert as Dock Labourer. David himself was a mariner.

Sorry Laptop dancer - I don't know how to find those references. The only one I could find was the RG number I put at the top.

I do know it is Kirkdale district 40, but I don't know if it helps

Christine

What was his dads occupation

Julie

LD

If you only put in Angleoch for where born it will come up & nothing else like names

Julie

Christine I cannot find them on 1901 census, can you give me Class, Piece, Folio, Page No please.