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I have been looking for a while now trying to find Mary Vevers, parents William and Margaret,(nee Little). On the 1911 Census Mary is10yrs old, born in Newcastle upon Tyne. I have searched all the births from 1896 to 1906, to be on the safe side, but I cannot find a Mary Vevers anywhere - and I've tried variations of the Surname. I have just been on Free BMD and I have found a Margaret Annie Vevers born 1903 in Newcastle upon Tyne. Now given that her mothers name is Margaret do you think this could be my 'Mary". I would send for the cert. but it's a costly exercise, plus a 3 week wait for the cert to arrive. Would there be any other way for me to check if this is "My Mary"? I'd be grateful if anyone can point me in the right direction to verify my info.

Regards

Joy

But if she was 10 on the 1911 census she cant have been born in 1903,
Have you found her parents marriage .is it possible she was born pre the marriage so would be under mums maiden name?

This looks like apossible for her parents marriage?

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Cook Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 61
Dodds Luke Newcastle T 10b 61
LITTLE Margaret Newcastle T. 10b 61
Vevrs William Newcastle T. 10b 61

No, nothing is coming up. Is it possible that she was an adopted child?

Do you have Margaret and William on 1901....and their ages please

HOUSEHOLD VEVERS WILLIAM M 1853 58 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland

HOUSEHOLD VEVERS MARY F 1901 10 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland

Is this Mary and her father? I cant find a Margaret about the right age?

I dont have full access to the 1911, could you post it please

The Margaret Annie that you mention is a different person as she shows up on the 1911 age 9...so dont waste your money on that certificate

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Mary Harrington 1899 Carlisle
Mary H Vivers married Carlise 1911
there is an entry on FreeBMD for a Mary E getting
married but a correction states it is Mary H.
Irene

I dismissed these earlier due to the age of Margaret and William

1901 England Census
about William Vevers
Name: William Vevers
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumberland, England

Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:<<27 Sheraton St

Occupation: Bricklayer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:


Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
William Vevers 49
Margaret Vevers 44 <<Scotland
James Vevers 20 <<<Newcastle


Margaret would have been old to be having children in 1901, although not impossible I know

However they have a son age 20....it is possible he had a child out of marriage and this could be Mary?

can you give us some feedback please

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Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Lee Mary Jane Newcastle T. 10b 39




Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
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Lee Mary Ethel Newcastle T. 10b 216
VEVERS James Toward Newcastle T 10b 216

Wonder if this is the birth and these are the parents? Marys birth is registered in the first quarter of 1902 but she could have been born late 1901

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1911:

VEVERS, William Head Married M 58 1853 Bricklayer Cumberland Carlisle
VEVERS, Marget Wife Married 15 years F 54 1857 Scotland Canon Tre Resident
VEVERS, Mary Daughter F 10 1901 School Northumberland N C


Address:
27 Sheraton St Spital Tongues Newcastle on Tyne County:
Northumberland

Two thoughts spring up here:

Thhe mother is Scotish - could she have gone up there to have the baby, or soon after, and registered her there?

Given the ages of the parents, the fact they have been married for 15 years and there is only one child, maybe she was 'adopted' ?

Dea x

Thanks Dea for posting the 1911.

The son James was born in Newcastle so it looks like they were in that region for some time and I would have thought Mary would have been born there too

It's looking more like an adoption, maybe even James daughter

But a Scotland birth cant be ruled out


Edit; Dea, they had a 20 year old son in 1901

I wonder if Margaret was a second marriage for William?
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The Margaret Annie cert is a 'grand-daughter'

She is the child of son James + Mary Ethel Lee.

Dea x

I thought so. This looks like William and his first wife. The marrige I posted earlier for him and Margaret does look like a second marriage

1881 England Census
about William Vevers
Name: William Vevers
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Westgate
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 19 Waterloo St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Vevers 30
Bridget Vevers 28
Mary E. Vevers 9
Margaret A. Vevers 5
John Vevers 4
William Vevers 2


Dea, the Margaret Annie birth could well be a second child for James and Mary Ethel Lee

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Hi Shirley,
I had thought of the age being different, but on some of the Census I have for my tree, the ages have been out a year or two, so thought that may have been the case here?

Thanks.

Joy

Joy

What about all the info that has been searched and suggested?

Hi Ginny

Yes you have the correct marriage for William and Margaret. I have a copy of their Wedding Cert. Married 15 August 1896. William was 43 and Margaret was 40. It was Williams 2nd Marriage

I was going to send you the details of the 1911 Census but i see Dea has beating me to it.


The James Vevers you mention is actually my Grandfather, He's Williams son from Williams first marriage to Bridget (nee Tarpey), which you found beforeI had a chance to write back to you. ( And I can't find Bridget's death either...)

James Toward Vevers and Mary Ethel Lee are my Grandparents and now that you have worked out that Margaret Annie was their child, I feel such a fool although she went by the name of Peggy and that's why It didn't click.

Why would it be then that nobody can find her birth. Wouldn't she have had to be registered? I can't find her on Genes and I can't find her on Free BMD. Is there anywhere else I could try?

Thanks ever so much for all your help I really appreciate it. Just a pity I had the wrong person!

Joy :-)

Joy

Have a read at the suggestions that Mary was not born a 'Vevers' but possibly a 'Lee'

I think that 'Peggy' and 'Mary' are very likley to be sisters, but you need the birth certificate to check that James and Mary Ethel are the parents

Hi Dea

Thanks for your input to my problem It's such a shame after the work you and Ginny put into my query that Mary's birth is still a mystery. This Vevers branch of mine is causing me all sorts of problems at every step. I'm surprised I have any hair left !

Thanks for your help it was very much appreciated.

Joy :-)

Hi Ginny

I definitely have all my Mam's brothers and sisters accounted for, including the first child James, who died the same year he was born in 1904. If Mary was the first child of James and Mary Ethel, why would they give her away to her Grandfather? It seems a strange thing to do? I've checked all the births from 1896 to1906 and not found a Mary Vevers to either William and Margaret or James and Mary. Have you any suggestions as to where I could look next?
If she was born in Scotland why would they put Northumberland on the Census?
I might have a look and see if I can see a Margaret Little somewhere before she got married, maybe she has a family in Northumberland too. I'm getting desperate now!!

Thanks again Ginny for your help I truly appreciate it..

Joy :-)

Joy my advice remains the same. Get the certificate for Mary Jane Lee

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Lee Mary Jane Newcastle T. 10b 39


Theres a whole host of reasons why Mary might have brought up with her grandparents...how many children thought their grandparents were their parents....too many to mention here me thinks

I think if you get the certificate you may well find the mother is Mary Ethel Lee

I'm afraid it's down to you now

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I really don't think that Mary 'belongs' to James + Mary Ethel.

They show on 1911 as having had 4 children and all of them are there with them.

VEVERS, James Toward Head Single M 29 1882 Labourer Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, Mary Ethel Wife Married 10 years F 28 1883 Lead Gate Durham
VEVERS, Margaret Annie Daughter Single F 9 1902 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, Walter Son Single M 6 1905 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, William Son Single M 4 1907 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, Maud Daughter Single F 2 1909 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne


Address:
27 Elm St Fenham Newcastle-Upon-Tyne County:
Northumberland

'IF' Mary is the daughter of James, I am sure the mother must have been someone other than the lady he married. ?

Only that cert will tell you though!

Dea x