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and here is that Joseph in 1901, as a boarder

1901 Census

Name: Joseph Hocking
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawshawbooth, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rawtenstall Formerly Lower Booths
Ecclesiastical parish: Rawtenstall St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Rawtenstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen J Archibald 12
John A Archibald 18
Jonathan Archibald 54 Head
Lillian Archibald 9
Mary E Archibald 14
Nancy L Archibald 43
Nancy M Archibald 16
Joseph Hocking 20 Cotton Spinner
John Ruthoer 81



sylvia

ozi

I've nudged it up for you

Titled Ernest Monck



Have a good remainder of the day


Thanks

sylvia

Shelly

I was mulling over this problem in bed last night, and came to one conclusion.

The problem is that family memories are not always correct, and as you will have seen as you read through this thread, ozi, Lew and I had real problems last night trying to fit your "facts" according to your uncle into what we could find online. In fact, we couldn't find anything that fitted your facts, except that a Joseph Hocking did marry a Mary Alice Adlum. Even your grandmother's birth date didn't fit.

I think the way to proceed is to first get the birth certificate for your grandmother if you do not already have it. This will confirm the names of her parents and her mother's maiden name.

Then, if, as you think, the parents are Joseph Hocking and Mary Alice Adlum/Adlam, you should purchase the marriage certificate for those two. Largely to see what Joseph says is the name of his father (if anything) and to get his occupation and address at the time of the marriage.

Then you should return to THIS thread, add an update, and let us try again with some basic facts at hand. It is better that you do that rather than start a new thread because other helpers will be able to see what has already been researched and will not waste time reoeating it all over again.

To find a thread on which you have previously posted, look to the left of the screen and you should see a yellow box Top Tips, click on My Threads in that box and all threads on which you have posted a message will appear.


1. Eva's birth registration

Births Mar 1909 (>99%)

HOCKING Eva Haslingden 8e 75



2. Joseph and Mary Alice's marriage registration

Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)

ADLUM Mary Alice Haslingden 8e 171
Hocking Joseph Henry Haslingden 8e 171



To get these certificates, go to www.gro.gov.uk, click on Ordering Certificates Online in the box to the right of the screen, follow instructions.

The GRO number they ask for is the set of 2 numbers to the right of Haslingden (ie, 8e 75 for Eva's birth).

Each certificate will cost £7, but it is the ONLY way to be sure that you are folloing the correct family.



sylvia
sylvia

Best advice possible, & Sylvia & I would really love to know what you find.

Ozi.

Hi ozi


I have also sent Shelly a pm telling her that there are many responses on here, and asking her to reply on the thread.



sylvia

Hi Shelly, Ozi, Sylvia

I had just about caught up by this time yesterday and was hoping for more today - will look again tomorrow.

Meanwhile, I see from the 1871 that the Falmouth/Redruth family has yet more Joseph Hockings!

Class: RG10; Piece: 2316; Folio: 8; Page: 7; GSU roll: 838823.

Joseph 40 and Harriet 47 both born Falmouth
Children all born Redruth:
Joseph 16
Maria 12
Eliza 7
Harriet 3

Possible sighting of Eliza J Hocking and mother Harriet in 1901:

Class: RG13; Piece: 3850; Folio: 59; Page: 33

Oops, better log off and go and get something else done. Look forward to hearing more one day.

hi all, Sorry for not replying sooner I've been working silly shifts for christmas what ill do is bring my mother round wednesday night she knows quite a bit and Hannah rings a bell i heard my mother mention that name when I went to a spooks reading she said watch out for these names.my uncle in the letter did not know eva mums first name but was sure it was adlum, my grandma got the information at rawtenstall jevovah witness thingy me bob and put it on her pc sadly she died a few year ago and we cant find it on a disk or the hard drive, my mother will know as she is clued up on family names, i think she will remember her grandma and grandads name for sure. I keep reading this letter and it does not make sense to me either my friends have read it they are dumbfounded also.I dont think a lot was said with my g-gran as it was a sin them days to have a child out of wedlock, but jeez the family was close oooeeerrr. haha with the step kids strange. ill see who had my g gran eva birth cert if not ill order one ill have more info when my mother calls,

Another thing to make you laugh but dont worry ill leave it another few months my other side are twiggers and lewis help !!!!! only kiddin be back on soon

ireally appreciate the work you are doing

thanx again

shell

Hi Shelly

Looking forward to hearing what your mum has to say about all this!

I think you really do need to get Eva's birth certificate if no-one in the family has it.

It is amazing how many illegitimate babies were born in early days!

I don't think it was all that much of a sin as we have been led to believe ..... or maybe it was the so-called "middle class" that considered it so bad, and even they had their share of "premature" babies.

One of my ggrandfather's sisters had at least 5 babies out of wedlock, her mother helped to bring them all up!

Farming families in particular were quite glad to welcome an unwed mother or already pregnant girl as wife to a son ...... it proved that she was fecund, and they would have grandchildren to help on the farm!


The problem for us searchers now is that many of these illegitimate babies invented fathers when they got married ..... and this sends us off on wild goose chases to find John Smith with father Eugene, a whistlemaker (who never actually existed, but sounded good on the marriage license!).



waiting to hear from you after Wednesday!!


sylvia

Me too!

Ozi.

ok ladies cheers

and when I eventually go to western aus in 2010 ill get the beers in

bfn !!!!

..... and return via the west coast of Canada!


This was a real multi-national operation!


xxx

hi folks,,

Well my mum said that her grt grandparents were called harry and annie hocking god knows whos telling the right story unless my uncle was thinking of the other side i havnt a clue i looked up annie hocking and i found her in the 1901 cen but only a child cant find harry only in chorley its doin my head in argghhh my mum dint come down she not so good so she text me with annie and harry hocking were eva ma and pa ill come back on later

xxx

Shelly, I'm now TOTALLY confused!

Does this mean Joseph Hocking & Mary Adlam are NOT Eva's parents? Harry & Annie are? What is Harry's relationship to Joseph as they (Joseph & Mary) have both been found & there is the link to Redruth. Is Harry a brother. Have we found him?

Definitely got to sort this one!!

Ozi.

Thinking aloud:

Remember Joseph & Mary's marriage? Here again for reference.

Marriages Mar 1905
ADLUM Mary Alice Haslingden 8e 171
Hocking Joseph Henry Haslingden 8e 171

He is a Joseph Henry. Perhaps he was called Harry by his family. Your mother may be mistaken about Ann.

Ozi.

jeez

sorry bout that ozi

ill defo find more im cringing and my head is whirling with names all over argh!!!!

ill sort summat out

shell xx

Please, please get Eva's birth cert so we can feel sane again! ;))

Ozi.

hiya girls

just ordered the cert eva hockings will arrive on the 5th dec membership runs out on the 14th spend spend spend haha

then we shall see hopefully and sort this labarynth out

shell xxx

you there ozi ??????????

must have just missed you by seconds