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I know namelessone, I will give it some time, but not all my time, they information you have all kindly given me today will be helpful whether I solve it or not.

Can’t you ask your contact where she got Edward and Florence’s names?

Info available online doesn’t suggest that Gerald’s father was named Edward.

Does she have any proven research? Or his birth cert?

Not sure why someone said earlier that one cannot add a second forename initial when searching on freebmd

Because once you couldn’t - I didn’t know it had changed.

In case the marriage I posted turns out to be relevant.................

Will delete if proven to be unconnected

Deaths 1988 (>99%)
WILLIAMS IRVING ANDREW 9OC1905 NEWPORT 28 696
Death date 18 Oct 1988
Of Pantyrhyn Farm, Blackwood, Gwent

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Upper Houses Farm, Llanhiles, Llantilio Crossenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
George A Williams Head Male 1872 48 Monmouthshire, Wales Farmer Employer
Catherine H Williams Wife Female 1869 52 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In General Farm & Home Duties George A Williams Farmer
Margaret A Long Sister-in-law Female 1866 54 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In General Farm & Home Duties George A Williams
Eva Williams Daughter Female 1901 19 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In General Farm & Home Duties -
Irving A Williams Son Male 1905 15 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales - -
Oliver Higgs Servant Male 1907 14 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In Farm Work -
George Gealer Servant Male 1868 53 Gloucestershire, England General Labourer



1939 Register
Pantyrhyn Farm Pontllanfraith, Pontllanfraith, Mynyddislwyn U.D., Monmouthshire, Wales
Andrew (Irving) Williams 09 Oct 1905 Male Dairy Farmer Married 253 1
Florence W Williams 29 Nov 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 253 2

Name: Florence Winifred Jones
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1910
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1910
Baptism Place: Monmouthshire, Wales
Father: John Jones
Mother: Sarah Jane Jones
Page number: 60

1911 Census For England & Wales
Great Hoaldalbert Farm Grosmont Hereford, Grosmont, Monmouthshire, Wales
John Jones Head Married Male 39 1872 Farmer Llanvihangel Cru Mon
Sarah Jane Jones Wife Married Female 37 1874 - Llantilio Crossenny Mon
Esther Violet Jones Daughter - Female 5 1906 School Llantilio Crossenny Mon
Sidney John Jones Son - Male 3 1908 - Llantilio Crossenny Mon
Florence Winifred Jones Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Llantilio Crossenny Mon

Sorry had to go out, yes I saw those census's ErikaH and haven't dismissed them yet because its the property next door or very near to the property on the 1939 register I found originally

Regards Florence and Edward I will ask her ErikaH, I presumed she got it from her Mum, but I will check.

Failing all else I will just order certificates.

I've just asked the question ErikaH via message