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I had thought this might be Beatrice but it's 1910, whereas the record you posted says 1909:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6GN9-83B?i=25&cc=1823240

Could be her, shame no Ship name given on that Record...

Chris :)

(now off for a cuppa in garden centre, lol, will leave you be!)

We make a good team! Enjoy your afternoon.

This is so good.
Interestingly, Annie Moore Wilton, the sibling from the first marriage, father Simon, was left in the workhouse 1891.
She later had a relationship with a certain Sam Callaghan , and left him to live with his brother Cornelius Callaghan, b. 1882 Ireland. Cornelius had been adopted out to Canada and returned when aged 20, and set up home with said Annie. Just to add a bit of a story, that I have been told.
You should get a medal for this guys..

One more request Please. As certificates are obtained I am pondering the movement of the family between 1891 and 1901.

Can anyone look up the mother's maiden name of this birth and death in Plymouth reg. District ?

Alice Mary Cousins.. Birth and death 4Q 1893 Plymouth .

Thank you .. I hope to come back later and tell the end of the story. It would be nice for you to get a small reward for all your hard work. G :-D

Info freely available on the GRO site:

COUSINS, ALICE MARY mmn = HOEY Order
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 265

Dea x

Thanks very much dea, thought she might be one of ours.

Dea posted above that the mothers maiden name can be found on the GRO site on births, but I couldn't find it. Can you please advise how? Thanks.

Are you using this site which gives mmn before Q3 1911

https://www.gro.gov.uk

(sorry haven't trawled through all of thread to see if it's been shown)

You need to register, but free to use

The record is there - will not be available via freebmd or commercial sites)

I'm sorry to say that I still haven't positively found Annie Townsend's roots. However I did read in the newspaper articles about the fight case in Exeter, that she was proud of her Irish heritage !!!

However the volunteers on this thread have worked so hard. Just in case someone reads this thread in the future .. I have included some paragraphs from Annie's descendant, who has written a three page article covering her story printed in the Bristol Family History Society magazine this month March 2021. Much of the information in her story is already contained in this thread. However I will paste in a few paragraphs, which contain some certificate information.

She was sent a picture of Beatrice Cousins, and was so thrilled to receive it.

......
Very sadly my grandma's mum Annie died aged only 39 years at East Street, St. Paul's, Bristol on 13th December 1904. The certificate said she was the wife of Edward Cousins, general labourer, and he was present at the death. She died of Lymphocarcinoma of the glands of her neck, and exhaustion. It's a mystery why they went back and forth to Bristol and in 1911, Edward was 42, widower, a coal porter, was living in Plymouth (with his daughter Nellie and her son).
So yet again the second family had to live in care homes. Most went by the name Wilton, and I found that two of the girls were sent to live in Canada. They are listed in the Home Children Records in Library & Archives, Canada. A Beatrice Wilton arrived in Montreal in 1909, taken into care by the Diocese of Bristol and sent by the Girls Friendly Society, with references to more information. A Kathleen Wilton aged 11, arrived by the ship "Corsican" from Liverpool to Quebec, 1912, destination Ottawa, sent by the Catholic Emigration Association, again with a reference. A descendant of Kathleen, Shirley Deans, told me that Kathleen married Albert Hobrow, and they are on the 1921 Canadian census with their two daughters, Kathleen aged three, and Viola, aged two. Kathleen Hobrow died in 1926, at a very young age,, once again, though Shirley said she had married into a very loving family. Albert Hobrow was born in London. His father, Arthur had been killed in a terrible accident, in 1906. It was reported in several newspapers, although his name was wrong and spelt HOLBROW.
I wondered if the sisters ever met up again, and I found that on 24th July 1922, Beatrice applied for admission to go to America through Detroit, in Michigan. She was aged 25, a child's nurse from Ontario. People were asked to give a friend or relative in the country they had come from, and Beatrice named "sister Kathleen Hobrow, 6 Jenning, Hamilton, Ontario". She said she intended to stay permanently in America and was quite tall, 5' 8" with brown hair and eyes and was born in Devonshire.
It puzzles me that there are differences in some of the records. On 1921 Canada census Kathleen says she immigrated in 1915. It also puzzles me why she was sent over by the Catholic Emigration Society, as she was Anglican, and also her age was given as 11, in 1912, when she would have been 14. Beatrice also is on the Canada 1921, as a nurse aged 22, and she says she arrived in 1916, so that is different too....
The youngest of Annie's children Edward Wilton, was boarding with a William Taylor, a farm labourer, his wife and two small sons at Alveston. When he married Mary Eliza Jaques in 1932, he had gone back to calling himself Cousins, and named his father as Edward George Cousins (not Edward Thomas Cousins) and he was a policeman. They had two children. In 1939 he had an important job, with the war coming, as an Aero Engine Inspector He died in 1970.

In case you still haven't accessed the GRO site, this is the link........

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Annie's children from that site - to show how the results appear

WILTON, JOSEPH MOORE TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in PENZANCE Volume 05C Page 249
WILTON, ANNIE MOORE TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in TRURO Volume 05C Page 142
WILTON, ELIZABETH JANE TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 47
WILTON, LEONARD MOORE TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 59


COUSINS, ELLEN TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 93
COUSINS, BEATRICE TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 67
COUSINS, ELIZABETH TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 281
COUSINS, KATHLEEN TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 6
COUSINS, EDWARD THOMAS TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 128
COUSINS, VIOLET MAY TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 64

What are you actually looking for now, please?

Have you posted info about Annie's address at the time of her marriage?
Also, whether her father was 'deceased'.........or his occupation was recorded?

Thank you,, yes, I can now access GRO, and it has been very useful.

I think this was already posted, but for ease....
At her marriage, Both parties lived at Pipe Well Street, Callington, Cornwall, on 20th December 1883.

Annie Townsend and Simon Moore Wilton.
Her father was given as William Townsend, a labourer, and it did not say deceased.
Annie said she was 21, and was given as a licenced hawker.

I've looked at a lot of families in the Devon Cornwall area, and have found nothing conclusive. I'm wondering if she was "Irish" this means Catholic, in which case we may not be looking at a Civil Registration birth for her. :-(

An earlier case was suggested for a certain Susan A Townsend earlier in this thread. It seems there were a few Susan A's births in the area, and I have not been able to follow each one, to see if that Susan became Annie. However, from memory that Susan had a mother Susan nee Brimmacombe, who died before 1870 I think, so it is a possibility. Perhaps she was know as Annie at home? Just guessing.

On looking for any Annie with a father William Townsend before 1881, I stumbled upon this record at Taunton.

1871 - FreeCEN @ Taunton, St. Mary Magdalene
William Townsend 43 Carpenter Tiverton
Sarah Townsend 49 Laundress Taunton
Anna Townsend 7 dau (not on GRO) Taunton

Where is William earlier ?

1851 event Bampton, Devon, (nne of Tiverton)
William Townsend U 23 Carpenter Tiverton
lodging with Davey (miner and his family)

1861 - event Taunton, St. James,
William Townsend U lodger 33 Carpenter Tiverton

This seems to be William's death... although he is not noted as deceased at Annie Townsend's marriage to Simon Moore Wilton in 1883, Liskeard.
Death of William Townsend age 51 at Taunton RD DecQ 1878

And here is wife Sarah 1881...with daughter Annie, not Anna, and husband,,,

page number 34, piece 2366/117 RG11
1881- Taunton, St. Mary Magdelene RD Taunton - f/s
Sarah Townsend widow 38 Laundress Taunton, Som
Annie GILL M dau 17 Machinist Taunton, Som
Reginald GILL M son law 20 Gas fitter Taunton, Som

Marriage for Annie and Reginald ?
Reginald GILL to Annie Ellen M Hooper at Taunton, SepQ 1880, entering Reginald Gill (only).
Entering his name, result Reginald Charles Gill Taunton 5c 500 SepQ 1880

This looks like Reginald's family...
1881 - High Street, Taunton, St. Mary b.
Thomas R.D. GILL 48 Master Gas Fitter emp,8hands Taunton, Somerset
Emma Gill wife 41 Combe St. Nicholas,Som
Rosie Annie dau 15 Taunton
William J son 11 scholar "
Mary M K Gill dau 9 " "
Emma A B M Gill dau 1 "

1871 Taunton St. Mary Magdalene, High Street
Reginald C Gill son 10 scholar Taunton St Mary

1861 - Taunton, St.Mary mag, High street
Reginald C son 4 months Taunton

Therefore is there a birth registration for Annie Ellen M Hooper?
Birth of Annie Ellen Hooper at Taunton MarQ 1864 and page number problem 5c 47 or 5c 471 ? spans Devon and Somerset. no MMN.

This would be about the right birth date for Annie (Townsend), as she is 20 at her marriage in December 1883 at Liskeard.

My problem is I cannot find a death for Reginald Gill, or any record for him later,
or any suitable record for Annie Gill either. Any record found could eliminate this suspect.
However, Annie Townsend I am seeking did have a child Ellen with Cousins about 1892. Coincidence?

This leaves a three year gap between 1881 census and Annie Townsend's marriage in 1883 in Liskeard.

Any help or advice would be welcome, as I'm not sure of my workings.
xThanks in advance..

William Townsend in 1841 ??

William Townsend
in the 1841 England Census
Name: William Townsend
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where Born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Halberton
Hundred: Halberton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Tiverton and Dulverton
Sub-registration District: Uffculme
Neighbors:
Piece: 222
Book: 4
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Moore 25
Elizabeth White 15
William Townsend 13 - servant
Benjamin Dyer 12

Reginald's birth:

GILL, REGINALD CHARLES mmn DAVEY
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 393


Mother possibly some relative of the Davey family with whom William Townsend is lodging in 1851 ??? But it's a common name.

This record has been scored out of the baptismal register.
In the margin it says "Error A S A" - whatever that means.
I don't see any birth:

Arthur Frederick Gill
in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914
Name: Arthur Frederick Gill
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1881
Baptism Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton
Father: Reginald Gill [ gas fitter ]
Mother: Annie Gill

Address: South Street.

In 1881 census, Annie and Reginald are at 81 South Street - but no Arthur.

More detail re the Hooper marriage:

Annie Ellen Murray Hooper
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914Name: Annie Ellen Murray Hooper
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1862
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Jul 1880
Marriage Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton
Spouse: Reginald Charles Gill

Reginald's a bachelor, gas fitter ; Address: High Street, Taunton.
Father: Thomas Gill, whitesmith.

Annie's a spinster; address South Street.
No father's name given.

Witnesses: Frederick Horatio Rooks and Sarah Rooks.

EDIT:

Ah, I see you've already posted this.

???

Illegitimate birth:

HOOPER, ANNIE ELLEN -
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 471

Adopted by William and Sarah Townsend before 1871 ??

I think you are spot on, about Annies birth and it makes sense as to why Annie "Townsends" birth is not found GRO.

I cant find a record of a marriage for William Townsend to Sarah, or what happened to Sarah. Is it possible that Sarah her mother was legally Hooper, perhaps husband John Hooper? before getting together with William Townsend.

Annie could have "just left" Reginald. I have since found in 1911 a record for Reynold Charles Gill the right age on GR living in Marylebone. saying born Taunton. Could this be him mistranscribed ?? (She did ~"leave Wilton and live with Cousins leaving Wilton's children in Plymouth workhouse in 1891)

This is just guesswork, but could Annie have left Reginald or vice versa and got away with a bigamous marriage to Simon Moore Wilton, under the name Annie Townsend (although that was not her birth name ???)