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British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about William McKay James Broomhead
Name: William McKay James Broomhead
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Age at Enlistment: 25
Residence: 53 Dixon St, Leinchouse E (should be Limehouse E)
Document Year: 1915
Regiment Name: Royal Engineers
Number of images: 24


Married to Alice Elizabeth Webb. Child Gwendoline? He was a chemical lab.

Will have to come back later - OH is chomping at the bit to go shopping!

Bloody 'ell, (scuse me French). Another Mackay in another family. Alvie, this could be more closely related than I first thought, and something to go back to once I get the branch or sorted out and correct :) TY

Wow, you guys are on the ball! TY Potty, you are excused!!! LOL

Have edited my post Wendy. Looks like 3 brothers William, Henry and James had Mackay as a middle name.


EDIT again. No it was James' son who had the middle name Mackay. Getting confused here. :-S :-S

Liz

OK, someone please help me here because either I am suffering the midnight muddle headness, or these dates don't add up. Am I reading this wrong?

James Broomhead was born 1815.
Eliza was born in 1815.

Then how can Edwin and Eliza be their children?

"1851 England Census
Name:Edwin Broomhead
Age:23
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1828
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Jame Broomhead
Mother's Name:Eliza Broomhead
Where born:Bishopsgate City, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish:St Simon Zelotes
County/Island:Middlesex
Street Address: 5 Ely St
Registration District:Bethnal Green

Sub-registration District:Green


Jame Broomhead 36
Eliza Broomhead 34
Edwin Broomhead 23
Elizza Broomhead 20
Caroline Broomhead 7
William Broomhead 1 "

James and Eliza would have been 13/14 years old, and they weren't married until 1840

"My" Eliza (who married Henry Smith) was born in 1841, so who is this other Eliza? I would have said we have 2 families mixed in here, or an incorrect family, but the address is correct, as is half of the children.
A possibility is that instead of Edwin being 23 and Eliz(z)a 20, they were actually 13 and 10.

Any thoughts?

FMP version. Looks like the ages have been mistranscribed so panic over.


1851 census transcription details for: 5, Ely Place, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1540
Folio: 90
Page: 13
Reg. District: Bethnal Green
Sub District: The Green
Parish: Bethnal Green
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Simon Zelotes
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: 5, Ely Place, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BROOMHEAD, Jame Head Married M 36 1815 Turner
Bishopsgate, Middlesex
BROOMHEAD, Eliza Wife Married F 36 1815
Shoreditch, Middlesex
BROOMHEAD, Edwin Son Unmarried M 13 1838
Bishopsgate, Middlesex
BROOMHEAD, Elizza Daughter Unmarried F 10 1841
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
BROOMHEAD, Caroline Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
BROOMHEAD, William Son Unmarried M 1 1850
Bethnal Green, Middlesex :-)

TY!!! That makes sense. TY TY TY

Now, the only marriage I found for James and Eliza was 1840, which would make Edwin a bit of a bastard, which I doubt (Though I'm sure he was a nice chap). I might have another search to see if the record was actually the registration date rather than the actual marriage date.

Possible Edwin/ Edward with his grandfather?


1841 census transcription details for: Cumberland Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 706
Book/Folio: 3/20
Page: 33
Reg. District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Holywell & Moorfields
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: Cumberland Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BROOMHEAD, James occ: j carver M 53 1788 Middlesex
BROOMHEAD, Edward M 4 1837 Middlesex
HANRAHAN, James M 36 1805 Middlesex
HANRAHAN, James M 10 1831 Middlesex
HANRAHAN, Prudence F 38 1803 Middlesex
HANRAHAN, Sarah F 7 1834 Middlesex
HANRAHAN, Mary F 1 1840 Middlesex
MITCHELL, Henry M 45 1796 Middlesex
LATE, William M 20 1821 Middlesex
MITCHELL, Mary F 45 1796 Middlesex
ASHDOWN, Thomas M 45 1796 Middlesex


and your James in 1841.



1841 census transcription details for: James Street Woodbine Cottage, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 691
Book/Folio: 5/6
Page: 5
Reg. District: Bethnal Green
Sub District: Church
Parish: St Matthew Bethnal Green
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: James Street Woodbine Cottage, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HORMAN, Jane F 30 1811 Middlesex
HORMAN, Mittilde F 14 1827 Middlesex
HORMAN, Richard M 12 1829 Middlesex
HORMAN, Ann F 2 1839 Middlesex
HORMAN, Jane F 0 (2 months) 1841 Middlesex
BROOMHED, James M 25 1816 Middlesex
BROOMHED, Elizah F 25 1816 Middlesex
BROOMHED, Elizah F 0 (4 months) 1841 Middlesex

In my records I have Edwin born C1838 and Edward born C 1843, yet there is no record of Edward of that age in the census, nor can I find a death record.


Edward Corbett Broomhead
Baptised 15/09/1846
St Mary, Haggerston Hackney Middlesex

We see Edwin in all of the records, but his birthdate does not match in with the marriage.

So....have I got the correct marriage date for James and Eliza?
Was James previously married and Edwin a child from that marriage? (This has happened a few times in my searches for ancestors)
Did Edward die very young? (I can't find a death record)

With that, I am off to bed. ;-)

I think it is possible that Edward and Edwin were the same person - the Edwin in the 1851 being the Edward with his grandfather in the 1841. It is possible that James was married before the marriage to Eliza in 1840 but he is shown as single on the marriage
By the way, just in case you don't know, McKay or MacKay are pronounced to rhyme with sty not stay.

Well done, alviegal, finding that 1841 for James and Eliza

Burial (Find My Past)
First name(s): James Edward
Last name BROOMHEAD
Date of burial: 16 January 1846
Place of burial Bunhill Fields
Age at death: 44
Approximate year of birth: 1802
Address at death: Barbican
Record source City of London Burials

(saw above folks, if fitting anywhere!)

Chris :)

Name: Edward Corward (Turner) (Widower)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Age: 40
Spouse Name: Eliza Dunkley (Widow)
Spouse Age: 40
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Jun 1876
Parish: Bethnal Green St Andrew
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Bromhead ? (Carver)
Spouse Father: James Murrell (Confectioner)
Register Type: Parish Register
(Residence at time for both, 5 Ely Place)

TY Chris, that may explain Edwin. Who were 'both' in residence at 5 Ely Place? Edward and Eliza?

Well we know that the boys all followed the same trade - cabinet makers/drawer makers/wood turners/carpenters etc.

I am having to agree Potty that Edwin and Edward are the same person, and for some reason, the transcribers for these lads had a bottle of Gin sitting next to them!

Edward "Corward" may well be Edward Corbett. Strange how the surname isn't written on there. Again, the clerk presuming Corward was his surname.
But it still does not explain why the only marriage I can find for the parents is 1840. There must be an earlier marriage, because Edwin/Edward would surely have been written as Base or Bastard on his birth. Also, I find it out of the usual (though not uncommon) for James and Eliza to have been married so late in life (both 35 if married in 1840).

Oh and Potty....yep, I had to correct people when they called my son Mackaye and not Mackay (as in sty).

I know it takes a bit of work, and the further we go back the harder it gets, but don't you just love how 1 name can begin such a journey into 1 family!! I'm loving your help and results....ty so much.
<3

(4 childrens Baptisms, all 5 Ely Place, 3 as Edward, 1 Edwin, wife Henrietta Eliz(s)abeth)

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%) (not seeing on Ancestry, London)
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Coward Edward Shoreditch 1c 371
Dunkley Henrietta Elizabeth Shoreditch 1c 371


1871
CORWARD, Edward Head M 34 1837 Middlesex
CORWARD, Henrietta E Wife F 32 1839 Essex
CORWARD, Edward A Son M 11 1860 Middlesex
CORWARD, Mary Ann Daughter F 7 1864 Middlesex
CORWARD, Arthur W Son M 3 1868 Middlesex
CORWARD, Henrietta Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex
Piece: 486
Folio: 11
Page: 16
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Municipal Borough:
Address: Ely Place, Bethnal Green, London
County: London, Middlesex

1881
COWARD, Edward Head Married M 42 1839 Wood Turner
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
COWARD, Eliza A Wife Married F 35 1846
Clerkenwell, Middlesex
COWARD, Mary A Daughter Single F 17 1864 Servant (Dom)
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
COWARD, Arthur Son Single M 13 1868 Schollar
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
COWARD, Henriette Daughter Single F 11 1870 Schollar
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
COWARD, Jane Daughter Single F 8 1873 Schollar
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
COWARD, Eliza Daughter Single F 4 1877 Schollar
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
COWARD, William D Son Single M 13 1868 Match Box Making
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Piece: 423
Folio: 25
Page: 43
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Ely Place, Bethnal Green
County: London, Middlesex

1861
LEEWARD (Corward), Edward Head Married M 35 1826 Towel Horse Maker
Bishopsgate, Middlesex
LEEWARD, Henrietta Wife Married F 22 1839
Enfield, Middlesex
COWARD, Edward Son M 2 1859
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
COWARD, Charles Son M 0 (3M) 1861
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Piece: 260
Folio: 39
Page: 42
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Holly Bush Place, Bethnal Green
County: London

1861
BROOMAND, James Head M 45 1816 (Towel Horse Turner)
Bishopsgate, Middlesex
BROOMAND, Eliza Wife F 45 1816
Shoreditch, Middlesex
BROOMAND, Caroline Daughter F 17 1844 Tailoress
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
BROOMAND, William Son M 11 1850
Shoreditch, Middlesex
BROOMAND, Henry Son M 8 1853
Bethnal Green, Middlesex VIEW
BROOMAND, James Son M 5 1856
Bethnal Green, Middlesex VIEW
Piece: 252
Folio: 17
Page: 34
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: St Matthews Bethnal Green
Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Ely Place, St Matthews Bethnal Green
County: London

Chris :)

http://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?div=GLBARC10801RC108010200

(probably the James (Grandfather 1841) on above)

It looks as if Edward Corward married his sister in law; Albert John Dunkley married Eliza Murrell in 1865:
Name:Albert John Dunkley
Spouse Name:Eliza Murrell
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:14 May 1865
Parish:Haggerston St Mary
Borough:Hackney
Father Name:Alfred Thomas Dunkley
Spouse Father:James Murrell

Albert had a sister Henrietta:

Name:Albert Dunkley
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1842
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Thomas Dunkley
Mother's Name:Elizabeth Dunkley
Gender:M (Male)
Where born:Enfield, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:Hackney

Thomas Dunkley 39
Elizabeth Dunkley 39
Alfred Dunkley 16
Henrietta Dunkley 13
Albert Dunkley 9

Doesn't help find out about the Mackay name, though.

Have you got William's birth cert, to confirm his MMN:

Births Mar 1850 (>99%)
Broomhead William MacKay Shoreditch 2 383

I need to get my head around Edward (Edwin) Corbett (Corward).
I think I will write out a little timeline and see what cross checks and what doesn't fit.

We may have to go further back to find the Mackay link :(

Thanks guys

For some reason I am unable to get the 1881 census back up...it has disappeared.

I have the census data for 1841-1851-1861-1871.
Could I get some help please with 1881-91-1911

Edwin

Baptised Edward Corbett (Corward) Broomhead. Parents James and Eliza Broomhead

1841, Edwin not with James and Eliza, but possibly with his grandfather at different address.

1851, Edwin listed as Edwin Broomhead - son to James Broomhead

1861, Edwin and Eliza not with the family - Edwin married to Henrietta Dunkly as Edward Corward (Leeward)

1871, Still with Henrietta

???? Henrietta dies

1881, Edwin again Edward Corward married to Eliza Dunkly (Murrell) (sister in law)

Lots of factors suggest Edwin Corbett Broomhead and Edward Corward are the same person, but lots of factors also suggest the opposite.

He was called Edwin in 1841, and 1851, as well as his baptism record.
Highly likely that it was his grandfather James in the 1841 census, but is James (1815) his father?
Why should he then record himself as Edward from 1861 on, and drop the Broomhead?
Did the clerk in the 1841 census presume he was James son? Did James say he was his son to avoid explanations? Was Edwin an illegitimate child of James' sister? Was he an orphan?

Presuming James and Eliza married in 1840, then we also have to presume that Edwin was not their son. BUT....they must have been related.

Or is Edwin Corbett Broomhead a different person to Edward Corward!

What a headspin! :-0

Just throwing this into the works.

A search on Freebmd for "All Types" with surname Broomhead and Forename *McKay these are the results.


Births Jun 1852 Broomhead Henry McKay Bethnal Grn 1c 252

Deaths Sep 1883 BROOMHEAD James McKay 4 Bethnal Green 1c

Births Dec 1890 Broomhead William McKay J Mile End 1c 478



And these MacKays

Deaths Jun 1849 (>99%)
BROOMHEAD William MacKay Shoreditch 2 256 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1850 Broomhead William MacKay Shoreditch 2 383

Marriages Dec 1868 Broomhead William Mackay Bethnal Green 1c 470

Marriages Dec 1875
BROOMHEAD Henry Mackay Bethnal Green 1c 669

Births Mar 1879 Broomhead James Mackay Bethnal Green 1c 266

1891 census transcription details for: 6, Tuscan Street, Bethnal Green, North East Bethnal Green
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 272
Folio: 50
Page: 32
Reg. District: Bethnal Green
Sub District: Bethnal Green East
Parish: Bethnal Green
Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Simon Zelotes
City/Municipal Borough: North East Bethnal Green
Address: 6, Tuscan Street, Bethnal Green, North East Bethnal Green
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
COWARD, Edwd Head Married M 55 1836 Mill Wrights Turner
Bethnal Green
COWARD, Eliza Wife Married F 56 1835
Clerkenwell
COWARD, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 23 1868
Bethnal Green
COWARD, Arthur Son Single M 20 1871 Wood Turner
Bethnal Green
COWARD, Jane Daughter Single F 16 1875 Polisher
Bethnal Green
COWARD, Eliza Daughter Single F 14 1877
Bethnal Green



1901 census transcription details for: 30, Bonwell Street, Bethnal Green
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 296
Folio: 16
Page: 23
Reg. District: Bethnal Green
Sub District: Bethnal Green East
Parish: Bethnal Green
Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St Simon Zelotes
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 30, Bonwell Street, Bethnal Green
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CORWARD, Edward Head Married M 57 1844 Deal Turner
Bethnal Green, London
CORWARD, Eliza Wife Married F 58 1843
Clerkenwell, London
CORWARD, Arthur Son Single M 31 1870 Deal Turner
Mile End, London
CORWARD, Jane Daughter Single F 24 1877 Servant (Domestic)
Mile End, London

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Henrietta Corward
Name: Henrietta Corward
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1875
Age at Death: 38
Registration District: Whitechapel
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 257



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Eliza Corward
Name: Eliza Corward
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1906
Age at Death: 61
Registration District: Uxbridge
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 28