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1841 note its Great Armwell area so the right family
Name: Mary Byott
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Gender: Female
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Great Amwell
Hundred: Hertford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street Address:Stanstead Valley

Occupation:

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Registration district: Ware
Sub-registration district: Hoddesdon
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 444
Book: 9
Folio: 36
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Byott 50 looks like occ is Beer Shop!!
Honor Byott 50
James Byott 20
Charles Byott 15
Ellen Byott 15
John Byott 15
Mary Byott 13

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 444; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Great Amwell; County: Hertfordshire; Enumeration

Thanks Shirley

GEORGE THOMAS WENHAM
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
07 OCT 1855 Great Amwell, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS WENHAM
Family
Mother: MARY ANNE

If you want to check family search site you will see other children

https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bbatch_number%3AC072371

Thanks Jan will check it out, many thanks

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Julia Annie Hale
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1856
Registration district: Bishop's Stortford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 182


1871 England Census
Name: Julian A Hale
[Julia A Hale]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James E Hale
Mother's name: Julia Hale
Gender: Female
Where born: Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Saffron Walden
Town: Saffron Walden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Saffron Walden
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 1709
Folio: 6
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
James E Hale 50
Julia Hale 40
Julian A Hale 14
Mary M Hale 13
Rosa Hale 12
Agnes Hale 10
Ellen Hale 8
Gertrude Hale 6
Emma Hale 1



Marriages Mar 1880
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Chamberlain Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 321
Hale Julia Annie Bethnal Green 1c 321 <<<<<<<<<<
HUNT William Bethnal Green 1c 321
Wenham George Bethnal Green 1c 321 <<<<<<<<<<


Now, did George marry Julia Hale? I cant see Julia after her marriage on the censuses, maybe she is the one that is showing with just the initial on the 1881 that has been posted

Julia Annie Welham married Thomas King in 1907.

I thought that could be the one off 1881,but a tree has that George as born 1846 Clapham Surrey to George and Sarah Wenham.

1861 census has Julia Annie as Annie J,and as she was born Bishop Stortford that aslo fits with place of birth for the J Wenham 1881.

Maryb.

death?
Deaths Dec 1903
Wenham George Thomas 47 Dartford 2a 302

is this the birth you have
Births Dec 1855
Wenham George Thomas Ware 3a 145

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Julia Annie Hale
Name: Julia Annie Hale
Spouse Name: George Wenham
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Feb 1880 *****************
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Hale
Spouse Father Name: George Wenham Deceased*****
Register Type: Parish Register

I'm wondering about this
1901 Irlam Lancashire D29 > 14
Henry King 1863 tupton derbyshire labourer in soap factory.parents Thomas and Lucy.
Julia King 1859 Bishop Stortford
Julia Ellen King (Wenham)??19 tottenham Middlesex

next door
George Wenham born @ 1877 Essex labourer in soap factory.
Mary wenham 20 wife born Irlam Lancs.

Maryb.

EDIT Julia Ellen Wenham married Barton Upon Irwell lancs J/A/S 1908 8c 1216 to John Liddel Hope.born @ 1881 Cumberland.
1911 2,Delemer Road Flixton lancs
John Leddell Hope.
Julia Ellen/Ellen Julia born Totenham.

1911 14,Dixon St Irlam
George Thomas Wenham born 1880 Saffron Walden Essex (off 1901 census given above)
Mary 1882 Iralm married 11 years 7 children born 1 died.

Thank you all, Janet

I have a marriage cert for a George Wenham in the year 1895, with his father's name as George



Is it the 1895 marriage cert that you have because the father on the 1880 marriage to Julia Annie Hale has his father listed as George too?

George (the groom) is listed as a gardner

Witnesses are Francis Riches (Georges mothers second husband) and Mary Ann Ridle or Lidle

The certificate I have for George is 1895 and his father is listed as George, in the Cert that I have george is listed as a Nursery Mans Foreman which would fit in. and his father George is listed as a coachman. The problem I am having is that George the father, I cannot find anything on him!!!

The Birth I could find for George was in 1855, Ware, Hertford and his father is listed at Thomas mother Mary Byott.

Do you have the full birth certificate for George jnr?


This looks like the birth of George jnr father, just confirming he was born a Thomas



England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Thomas Wenham
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1823
Christening Date: 9 Nov 1823
Christening Place: Weston, Hertfordshire, England
Father's Name: Caleb Wenham
Mother's name: Peggy


Perhaps he or his son just liked to use the name George, its not unheard of.

At least we know that George jnr did marry twice! Looks like he and Julia seperated, I doubt they divorced as it was very rare in those days and even more expensive

Not sure if it is the correct one though as the father is listed at Thomas. If he was married before, and I think that he was in a census in 1881 him listed as a florist (I know that for definite) he had a brother listed also as a florist. I am now not sure if he's father was a George or a Thomas!!!

Ive added to the post before your last one

Do you think that the birth I have is correct and his parents were Thomas and Mary. I am doing this for an Aunty who is 91, she has given me as much information that she could but didn't know Georges fathers name

Thanks for all the help you have given.

All the information that is supplied for Thomas, by Thomas or his father, Calab (the father of George) shows him as such

The only info that lists him as 'George' is the info that his son gives....I'd guess that George jnr knew his father as 'George' for whatever reason

Georges brothers marriage, he lists him with the correct name....


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: Thomas Wenham
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 23
Father's Name: Thomas Wenham
Spouse's Name: Ellen Selina Gathercole
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Father's Name: James Gathercole
Marriage Date: 2 Aug 1884
Marriage Place: Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, England


Georges father was indeed Thomas, it just seems that George jnr decided to call him George!

Thank you so much, it has been giving me a headack but hopefully I am there, just have to put it altogether.

Once again thank you, Janet